Split Thread Common sense is innate

[Quiproquo]

Commonsense.

Says who?

 

[Quiproquo]

By the way, I don't understand the argument that no one has "came forward" and that we are still here, in the dark, "after nine years."

Why would someone "come forward" when the conspiracy is such a brilliant success?

 

[Furcifer]

Why would someone "come forward" when the conspiracy is such a brilliant success?

Oh come on, you can't seriously be that out of touch with human nature.

 

[332nd]

By the way, I don't understand the argument that no one has "came forward" and that we are still here, in the dark, "after nine years."

Why would someone "come forward" when the conspiracy is such a brilliant success?

Money, fame, guilt, revenge, etc...

 

[Dave Rogers]

I contend that common sense tells us something is up, without any need for technical verbiage that no laymen can possibly know.

Just as any infant can learn language, that is grammar, any laymen can figure out that something is truly f##ed up in the WTC tragedy.

OK, so you contend that common sense is innate, meaning that it is present in a person from birth, and that common sense alone is sufficient for determining that the WTC collapses were not as would be expected. It can be directly inferred from this that you believe that a newborn baby is capable of accurately assessing the expected collapse mechanism of a 110-storey steel-framed building. That's about as perfect a reductio ad absurdam as I can imagine. There's no need for anyone to take anything you say seriously from here on.

Dave

 

[twinstead]

Why would someone "come forward" when the conspiracy is such a brilliant success?

How can something be a brilliant success when so many kids living in their mother's basement can figure it out?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I agree with you.

But hasn't Hollywood taught us anything?

Nope not really... Interesting thing... If you see a gun fight in hollywood you'll see all these people firing machine guns and large shot guns with one arm, and absolutely no recoil from firing the bullets. In national treasure, Nicholas Cage breaks into one of the museums and steals the united States Declaration of Independence in one of the most ridiculously retarded fashions.

Hollywood is not exactly a all-mighty "educator" of reality. This isn't Disney or one of those anime with the gigantic mecha fighters. In the real world things work differently. Things tend not to make themselves that easy

 

[Oystein]

Says the definition of grammar.

No. Grammar is most often something that's discovered, not designed.

 

[excaza]

Except in common language it's an explicit structure.

 

[Oystein]

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And what if we were born with a slate upon which there were already some "writing" on it?

Would this not explain why and how all infants possess the extraordinary ability to learn syntax, the remarkable capacity to learn language?

Thus there can indeed be a collective "common sense" don't you think, a collective consciousness of sorts?

You got a point there, and yes, I do assume that we come with a slate of "properties" that equips us with some degree of pre-defined abilities to deal with the real world, and the ability to adopt to that real world.

However, notice that this "real" world that we adapt to is only a tiny fraction of the total "real world" around us. Our mind generally has to deal with objects and forces that are about as large as we are, and a few orders of magnitude larger or smaller.

So common sense equips us with an understanding of what other humans can do, or mice, or elephants.

However it fails quickly when we try to envision the properties and capabilities of objects either in the micron range, or several magnitudes of order larger than we are. For example, many people do not understand why whales can't breath on the beach, or why we can't destroy bacteria with our thumbs. For decades, the largest vegetarian dinosaurs (such as brontosaurus) were commonly depicted as holding their long necks up high, and tyrannosaurus was depsicted as jumping on its prey, until some folks ran the math and found both to be pretty impossible. Apparently, even the common sense of the early experts of paleontology did not prevent them from making gross mistakes.


When it comes to a building with a mass of about 300.000.000kg, that is 5 million times heavier than a human, common sense will fail miserably. Nature did not equip us with the innane senses to grasp the powers found in such large structures.

 

[Oystein]

Except in common language it's an explicit structure.

No, in common language it is implicit, and made explicit only through a process of discovery and analysis. Only in uncommon languages, such as HTML or C++, is it created and explicit.

Grammar has come into existence by the same kind of mindless evolutionary processes that also gave us the flight of the albatross, the song of the nightingale and the menace of the tse tse fly.

 

[excaza]

No, in common language it is implicit, and made explicit only through a process of discovery and analysis. Only in uncommon languages, such as HTML or C++, is it created and explicit.

Grammar has come into existence by the same kind of mindless evolutionary processes that also gave us the flight of the albatross, the song of the nightingale and the menace of the tse tse fly.

If you raise a kid with no electricity, he's not going to know not to stick a fork in an outlet.

Not sticking a fork in an outlet is common sense. You are not born knowing not to stick a fork in an outlet. Grammar is not proof that common sense is innate.

 

[Quiproquo]

Nope not really... Interesting thing... If you see a gun fight in hollywood you'll see all these people firing machine guns and large shot guns with one arm, and absolutely no recoil from firing the bullets. In national treasure, Nicholas Cage breaks into one of the museums and steals the united States Declaration of Independence in one of the most ridiculously retarded fashions.

Hollywood is not exactly a all-mighty "educator" of reality. This isn't Disney or one of those anime with the gigantic mecha fighters. In the real world things work differently. Things tend not to make themselves that easy

I had the distinct feeling I was watching a series B Hollywood movie on September 11, 2001.

 

[Quiproquo]

How can something be a brilliant success when so many kids living in their mother's basement can figure it out?

You probably have inferred by know I am also suspicious about the the events surrounding the political assassinations of JFK and RFK in the 1960s.

So what if many people are "suspicious"? It still works.

Also notice taken that you have an extreme elitist condescension toward what "common" people may think or believe.

 

[twinstead]

I had the distinct feeling I was watching a series B Hollywood movie on September 11, 2001.

The fact that you imply that you believed it was fake from the get go does not actually help your case. It simply smacks of starting with a predetermined conclusion and working backwards to try to make the evidence fit it.

In your case, you appear not to even know what evidence that is contrary to an "inside job" exists.

 

[twinstead]

You probably have inferred by know I am also suspicious about the the events surrounding the political assassinations of JFK and RFK in the 1960s.

So what if many people are "suspicious"? It still works.

Also notice taken that you have an extreme elitist condescension toward what "common" people may think or believe.

Frankly, I could care less who is suspicious and who is not suspicious, and if they are common or not. I go where the evidence leads me. If that is elitist to you, then so be it.

 

[Quiproquo]

How can something be a brilliant success when so many kids living in their mother's basement can figure it out?

Frankly, I could care less who is suspicious and who is not suspicious

Apparently not.

 

[Architect]

I had the distinct feeling I was watching a series B Hollywood movie on September 11, 2001.

I stood in architect's office, several of watching low quality streaming video as it came in. One of us, I can't remember who, looked at the fire and said "that's going to come down".

Do you have a point, caller? Are you claiming that lay opinion and perceived common sense are to be preferred to analysis and professional opinion?

 

[1337m4n]

Smart answer 1337m.

However again you assume Man is born with a mind resembling a blank, clean "slate," upon which all sensory experience will then become its "writing."

Is this not a narrow, constricting, even simplifying description of the infinite complexity that is the human mind?

And what if we were born with a slate upon which there were already some "writing" on it?

Would this not explain why and how all infants possess the extraordinary ability to learn syntax, the remarkable capacity to learn language?

Thus there can indeed be a collective "common sense" don't you think, a collective consciousness of sorts?

If you're referring to what some might call "genetic memory", then yes. Babies innately know to trust their mothers because such trust is coded into our genes.

Knowledge of collapse mechanics is not coded into our genes.

 

[Architect]

Knowledge of collapse mechanics is not coded into our genes.

Which is why engineers (and architects) are required to study structures at university level. What the heck do the CT mob think the BSc (Hons) is for, just turning up each day???