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Colon cleansing?

I know MRC_Hans has a website that tore Hahnemann up pretty well, but I don't remember the address..



Aside from which there are problems with 'natural' rememdies, too. But let's be sure we know which we're talking about.
 
goodgirlonhere,

It sounds as if you have one hell of a lot of research to do yourself - you seem to know little of the organ functions?

The large intestine mainly absorbs water with the nutritional elements being in the form of vitamins.
 
clarsct said:
Oh dear. It seems you've confused 'herbalism' with 'homeopathy'.
Rolfe, Mojo? I'm sure there's a website out there that explains the difference.
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Here's Hans's article. This site, aimed at UK vets, also has a very good and detailed explanation of homoeopathy, and some informative and entertaining links too.
 
goodgirlonhere said:
I am NOT against someone believing in homeopathic remedies.


Afraid I would get "attacked" because I can't spell some rare condition that only a few people suffer from.:rolleyes: But it does exist and I am sure a poster here will find it.
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I find it hard to believe that anyone can believe in magic water, but there are a heck of a lot out there that somehow do. I AM against it for the simple fact that some folks need actual medical care, not magic water drops or magic water evaporated after being dropped on sugar pills.


I think the silver disease is argyria.

Vitamin K (and some B?) is made by bacteria in the colon, and the colon needs to sop it up to ensure our health. A damaged colon may cause us to become deficient in vitamin K.

http://nutrition.about.com/od/nutrientglossary/g/vitamink.htm
 
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There is another important element that was missing here about risking malnutrition. The person's diet plays a big role in this. The people who typically get colon cleansings do have certain diets or foods they eat. These people aren't your average eaters. They are what many people would catagorize as "health nuts":cool:. Their diets may consist of lots of soluable fibers or other fruits/grains. These are already elements that general go to the large intensine system versus the small intensines.
For example: The body can NOT digest "corn". The remanents will pass through the large intensine providing no benefit. There are many other fibers/grains that the body can not digest goes straight through the large intensine. It is a the organ to get rid of the largest waste or undigestible substances. So if a person diet is filled with items that are largely filled with fibers and they get colon cleansings, it could seriously effect the body's nutrition.
A person can suffer from malnutrition even if they eat lot's of leafy greens and vegetables. The large intensine may have to "adapt" and be the main source of nutrition for the body if the body is only being fed items that can not be digested through the small intensine. Look at the third world environment. The "starving" countries are given a diet of lot's of grains/oats to keep them alive. You see how much malnutrition and starvation arises from such a diet. Why can't that happen to anyone else who develops a similar diet?
 
Sorry, GGOH, but can I suggest you go back to your Biology 101 textbook and read it again?
 
I have read about one particular situation where doing "colonic irrigation" would bring concrete benefits. However, I don't have any medical knowledge so I can't say whether the effect was real or just folk belief.

The situation happened in a prison camp with really poor food. The inmates were given porrige that was made of unground grain so that it was mostly chaff, and nothing else. Since humans can't digest rye chaff, this diet caused severe intestional problems. One of the symptoms was that the inmates got "blocked up" and got painful cramps as result.

The treatment they used was to use a mouthpiece of a cigarette holder and a piece of rubber tube to insert small amount of water into colon and this supposedly cleared the blocking. Like I say, I don't know if this really works but the surviving prisoners came out believing that it did.

My source is Viljo Sohkanen's Punakaartilaisen päiväkirja ("Diary of a Red Guardist"). Sohkanen was an inmate in the Suomenlinna prison camp in 1918.

[Edited to add: the conditions in the 1918 prison camps were horrible enough to cause thousands of deaths for starvation and dysentry.]
 
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StoatBringer said:
For a treatment supposed to be safe (and no doubt, "natural"), I'd that even once was too much.
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I think Barbrae is asking the frequency of perforations when using enemas/colonic interventions as compared to those caused by colonic irrigations? So the real question is what is the risk/benefit ratio? I don't see much benefit from colonic irrigation so the risk does not seem worth it.
 
EagleEye said:
My mom is paying $50 per "treatment" for this "therapy". She claims that the "practitioner" (I hesitate to call him a "doctor") told her that getting these "warm water enemas" will help to reset the enzymes in her bowel and stomach to help her digest things properly, etc...

Evidently this is some form of weight loss treatment?

I know it's quackery, but I need stuff to print off and give to her to PROVE that it is.

I already printed off a page from quackwatch.com about it, but it's not very convincing.

Can anyone help me find appropriate material?
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Possibly a good reason to have her committed and yourself appointed with her power of attorney.
 
I wonder if colonic cleanser practioners ever hire out to have their furnace ducts to be cleaned at home for hundreds of dollars. Or, if they 'see through it', because they too are in a similar business.

And do people who live to be 100+ plus...did they ever have their colon cleansed? I doubt it. And even if they had it cleaned out once in their life...wouldn't they be back to their same original condition after about 3 Happy Meals?
 
Harken, fellow posters.

I believe this might be the most sense Iamme has made since he started here.

Or am I losing it?
 
Who could resist such encouragement?!

At any rate, I was just making sure. When certain folks start making sense, I reassess my values a bit and take stock. Although, I have to admit, he is more entertaining that Iacchus.
 
So, let me see if I understand this colonic irrigation business.
The basic idea is that you shove a hose up your butt and pump seawater in?
Then you pull the hose out and await results?
Did I miss something? Like the bit where you hit yourself on the head with a dumbass stick?
 
clarsct said:
Harken, fellow posters.

I believe this might be the most sense Iamme has made since he started here.

Or am I losing it?
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Nahhhh. Some of you guys and gals just don't recognize a modern-day Einstein when you see one. :) Condiser pondering such thoughts: Why should you be able to dunk a paint brush in paint and have it stick to the brush real good. And then when you spread it on a wall, then it likes to stcik to the wall instead. Why? Why doesn't it prefer just to stay stuck to the brush? Ever think of that? Or..why is it that materials out in the sun, expand. Then why doesn't tar paper on a roof, which is put on before shingling, doesn't it get ripples in it when the sun hits it?! But you know what?... it stretches out tight and flat when the sun hits it! Ever close your eyes and you look at the nothing you see and wonder if THAT nothing is the same type of nothing that the universe is? Ever think that a magnets north and south attraction loop is like some cat chasing it's tail, and never catching it? Ever wonder if Murtphy's Law happens with animals? (Like, do monkeys or squirrels miss the branch, and fall to their deaths?)Ever wonder what makes you decide and think what you think about and what makes you want to do what you do? Ever wonder how someone like Thomas edison cold have had the brains and the time to have invented so many different unrelated things that has changed the course of history? (Could he have been a planted seed from God? What have *you* invented? Probably not even one simple thing. Yet this one man got like a thousand patents!!!)ever consider that giants could have been alive and built the pyramids and easter Island?.or that they new how to thwart gravity and this knowledge became lost with the lost civilization of Atlantis? Ever wonder what Adam and Eve did when they hit 45 and didn't have hear-sighted glasses? And how did they spend their retirement years without a deck of cards or a Scrabble game.

Stuff like that.
 
clarsct said:
Who could resist such encouragement?!

At any rate, I was just making sure. When certain folks start making sense, I reassess my values a bit and take stock. Although, I have to admit, he is more entertaining that Iacchus.
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Entertaining? Like, starting threads that sound cornball, yet nobody can offer up proof that your cornball reasoning is not so? Isn't it fascinating how there is so little that we can actually PROVE when you get right down to it? We can prove 1 + 1 = 2. But we can't prove ...that Nessie ain't out there somewheres. And we can't even prove something as current and scientific as if global warming really exists. And it's rather interesting how, if religion and God(s) are a myth, that we can't offer evidence to show it's truly a myth.
 
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