Colin Powell endorses Obama

thaiboxerken said:
The GOP spin will be that Powell is really a liberal, or Powell is a racist that only is voting for Obama because of race. They will absolutely ignore Powell's objections to the neo-cons that are Romney's advisers.
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Colin Powell's former chief of staff condemned the Republican Party on Friday night, telling MSNBC's Ed Schultz, "My party is full of racists."
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Well, sooner or later the elephant in the room has to be recognized. Just about every liberal I speak with has been trying their level best to keep from believing this is all about race for the Republicans. At some level though, nothing else makes any sense.

Wilkerson is just about the most rational republican around. Now you have to ask yourself, who has more credibility, the colonel or Sununu?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/lawrence-wilkerson-colin-powell-sununu_n_2027721.html

Retired Army Col. Lawrence Wilkerson made the comment in response to Mitt Romney campaign surrogate John Sununu's suggestion on Thursday that Powell's endorsement of President Barack Obama's re-election was motivated by race.
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Can anyone with better web-sense than I have verify if John H. Sununu @ SununuWarRoom is truly him?

ETA: Removed link to DailyKos article. Apparently it's not a verified account and probably a scam. Sorry for spreading crap.
 
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Olowkow said:
Well, sooner or later the elephant in the room has to be recognized. Just about every liberal I speak with has been trying their level best to keep from believing this is all about race for the Republicans. At some level though, nothing else makes any sense.
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I think you are wrong. Through circumstances beyond my control I was treated to a half hour or so of Fox News and Hannity.

Yeah maybe buried somewhere there is some element of racism but this really just looks like wacky, over the top partisanship to me. It is disgusting to watch, people falling over themselves to interpret every aspect of Obama and his administration in the most negative way possible. There isn't even the slightest attempt at nuanced thought, objectivity or reason. It is just full out partisan ranting. But I didn't see any reason to think that if Obama had been any other race the mindless partisan ranting would have been any different. For Fox News Obama is the worst president of all time on foreign policy until the next Democrat who of course will be the worst president of all time on foreign policy.

The fact is that mindless partisan ranting has become the staple of a lot of the Republican spin machine and it seems to work so I expect them to keep doing it even if the Democrats were all white. The issue isn't race here. The issue is R versus D and there is no quarter given for intellectual honesty or reason.

I had come to think of this kind of partisan ranting has just the way politics is. Each side does it a bit differently, but is anybody in a prominent role in either party speaking in a remotely honest open way about any of the issues? Then recently I saw an interview of John Huntsman. Good grief. How in the world does this guy exist? Candid answers not apparently steeped in mindless partisanship. I guess the good news for me is that my general notion that such a person has no chance to win a national nomination was right. He got no place in the Republican primaries, but of course the bad news is that it is impossible for people like him to get anywhere in a national race for either party.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Oh--you mean before we learned that his much-touted sense of honor wasn't a real thing. Yeah--he would have made a strong candidate back then.

I thought you were talking about him instead of Obama.

I don't know if I would've voted for Powell even back then. I'm a bit suspicious of career soldiers being necessarily good civilian leaders. (The President is certainly much more than Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces.)
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Getting four stars takes a mastery of a unique set of politics in itself.
 
davefoc said:
I think you are wrong. Through circumstances beyond my control I was treated to a half hour or so of Fox News and Hannity.

Yeah maybe buried somewhere there is some element of racism but this really just looks like wacky, over the top partisanship to me. It is disgusting to watch, people falling over themselves to interpret every aspect of Obama and his administration in the most negative way possible. There isn't even the slightest attempt at nuanced thought, objectivity or reason. It is just full out partisan ranting. But I didn't see any reason to think that if Obama had been any other race the mindless partisan ranting would have been any different. For Fox News Obama is the worst president of all time on foreign policy until the next Democrat who of course will be the worst president of all time on foreign policy.

The fact is that mindless partisan ranting has become the staple of a lot of the Republican spin machine and it seems to work so I expect them to keep doing it even if the Democrats were all white. The issue isn't race here. The issue is R versus D and there is no quarter given for intellectual honesty or reason.

I had come to think of this kind of partisan ranting has just the way politics is. Each side does it a bit differently, but is anybody in a prominent role in either party speaking in a remotely honest open way about any of the issues? Then recently I saw an interview of John Huntsman. Good grief. How in the world does this guy exist? Candid answers not apparently steeped in mindless partisanship. I guess the good news for me is that my general notion that such a person has no chance to win a national nomination was right. He got no place in the Republican primaries, but of course the bad news is that it is impossible for people like him to get anywhere in a national race for either party.
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It is a damned shame. The founding fathers are spinning like rotisserie chickens.(though I suspect some might be enjoying the spectacle "Really? You think you guys have problems :rolleyes:")
 
UTLonghorn said:
Pathetic. There are undoubtedly some white supremacists and other unsavory characters who are are voting for Romney. Would it be fair to put Romney in the same camp as them?

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And the 98 percent of Blacks that polls show favor Obama? What camp would you put those in? The un-baised, non-racist camp???????
 
Foolmewunz said:
Unfortunately for Romney, only frothing at the mouth newsradio types have your view of things. Most conservatives and almost all moderate Republicans still think of Colin Powell as the guy they wish was running for President.
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No. The Tea Party rules. The lesson of the 2010 elections -- we don't need no stinkin' tax and spenders, nor do we need no stinkin' RINOS-- Colin Powell, shows his true colors.
 
davefoc said:
I think you are wrong. Through circumstances beyond my control I was treated to a half hour or so of Fox News and Hannity.

Yeah maybe buried somewhere there is some element of racism but this really just looks like wacky, over the top partisanship to me. It is disgusting to watch, people falling over themselves to interpret every aspect of Obama and his administration in the most negative way possible. There isn't even the slightest attempt at nuanced thought, objectivity or reason. It is just full out partisan ranting. But I didn't see any reason to think that if Obama had been any other race the mindless partisan ranting would have been any different. For Fox News Obama is the worst president of all time on foreign policy until the next Democrat who of course will be the worst president of all time on foreign policy.

The fact is that mindless partisan ranting has become the staple of a lot of the Republican spin machine and it seems to work so I expect them to keep doing it even if the Democrats were all white. The issue isn't race here. The issue is R versus D and there is no quarter given for intellectual honesty or reason.
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My take as well.

Of course I could be wrong. I suppose if Hillary were instead running for re-election as president things would be all Alphonse and Gaston.
 
Robert Prey said:
And the 98 percent of Blacks that polls show favor Obama? What camp would you put those in? The un-baised, non-racist camp???????
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It may come as a surprise to you and other conservative blowhards who obsess over skin color, but blacks overwhelmingly vote for Democratic candidates regardless of race. You're not not going to find much support for Allen West in the black community for example. And to answer your question, I would put them in the voting in their best interest camp.
 
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UTLonghorn said:
It may come as a surprise to you and other conservative blowhards who obsess over skin color, but blacks overwhelmingly vote for Democratic candidates regardless of race. You're not not going to find much support for Allen West in the black community for example. And to answer your question, I would put them in the voting in their best interest camp.
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So white people who vote for white people are racist, but black people who vote for black people are not racist. Excellent reasoning. And since you have associated Romney with white supremacists (guilt by association) you apparently have no problem at all with Obama and his support by Black Supremacists..
 
Robert Prey said:
So white people who vote for white people are racist, but black people who vote for black people are not racist. Excellent reasoning. And since you have associated Romney with white supremacists (guilt by association) you apparently have no problem at all with Obama and his support by Black Supremacists..
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Well, yes. That's what UTLonghorn said,... "Any white person who votes for a white person is a racist." Many others echoed the same thing. I know I sure did.

Wait! What? We didn't say that? But why would you try to put those words in our mouths? Oh, I see... you've confused all of us with John Sununu who did say that Powell was supporting Obama because they're both black. I know that's why Charlie Rangel and Jessie Jackson came out for Herman Cain. :p

Or maybe you're confusing us with those folks who are marketing and selling quite a number of those stickers and t-shirts that say "They call it the WHITE house for a reason".

There are quite likely blacks who are supporting Obama solely because he's black, and just as likely quite a few whites who are voting for Romney, not because he's white, but because he's the white guy available to beath the black guy. I think it's a wash, probably. But what I don't think is that any of those citizens have shown up yet in this thread. (Unless, of course, you're willing to take a stand.)
 
Robert Prey said:
So white people who vote for white people are racist, but black people who vote for black people are not racist. Excellent reasoning. And since you have associated Romney with white supremacists (guilt by association) you apparently have no problem at all with Obama and his support by Black Supremacists..
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Let's clear this one up.

No, white people who vote for a white guy aren't necessarily racist. White people who claim that black people are "satisfied with foodstamps" (Newt Gingrich) are. White people who call Common a "gangsta rapper" (Oh so many right wing talkers) are just spouting stereotypes. White people who say that black people are "taught to hate America" (Rush Limbaugh) are clearly racist. White people who claim that black people are only voting for "more free stuff" (Mitt Romney) are definitely playing with fire. People who claim that the first black president's life is "Affirmative action all the way" (Pat Buchanan) are *very* familiar, as are the people babbling about birth certificates and college transcripts (Donald Trump) And I definitely have to give the side-eye to white people who tell someone who spewed racial slurs "don't retreat...reload!" (Sarah Palin). White people who string together a small sample of crimes to create some sort of "race war" (Matt Drudge, among many others) are not only themselves racist, they are also actively attempting to create more of it. So are people who deceptively edit videos in order to claim that Obama officials are discriminating against white people (Andrew Breitbart). And for reference, that's not even the half of it.

And for the record, I don't think highly of black people who claim that most black people vote for democrats because we're "brainwashed" (Herman Cain) or "on the democrat plantation" (Cain, Allen West, CL Bryant, among others). They aren't interested in getting black people to vote for republicans, at all.

Oh, and black people rejected both Al Sharpton and Carol Mosely Braun a mere four years before Obama ran for the Oval Office, and Alan Keyes when Obama was first running.
 
Mumbles said:
Let's clear this one up.

No, white people who vote for a white guy aren't necessarily racist. White people who claim that black people are "satisfied with foodstamps" (Newt Gingrich) are. White people who call Common a "gangsta rapper" (Oh so many right wing talkers) are just spouting stereotypes. White people who say that black people are "taught to hate America" (Rush Limbaugh) are clearly racist. White people who claim that black people are only voting for "more free stuff" (Mitt Romney) are definitely playing with fire. People who claim that the first black president's life is "Affirmative action all the way" (Pat Buchanan) are *very* familiar, as are the people babbling about birth certificates and college transcripts (Donald Trump) And I definitely have to give the side-eye to white people who tell someone who spewed racial slurs "don't retreat...reload!" (Sarah Palin). White people who string together a small sample of crimes to create some sort of "race war" (Matt Drudge, among many others) are not only themselves racist, they are also actively attempting to create more of it. So are people who deceptively edit videos in order to claim that Obama officials are discriminating against white people (Andrew Breitbart). And for reference, that's not even the half of it.

And for the record, I don't think highly of black people who claim that most black people vote for democrats because we're "brainwashed" (Herman Cain) or "on the democrat plantation" (Cain, Allen West, CL Bryant, among others). They aren't interested in getting black people to vote for republicans, at all.

Oh, and black people rejected both Al Sharpton and Carol Mosely Braun a mere four years before Obama ran for the Oval Office, and Alan Keyes when Obama was first running.
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Your allegations against Gingrich, Limbaugh and Romney are false. Back them up or retract them, if you please.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Well, yes. That's what UTLonghorn said,... "Any white person who votes for a white person is a racist." Many others echoed the same thing. I know I sure did.

Wait! What? We didn't say that? But why would you try to put those words in our mouths? Oh, I see... you've confused all of us with John Sununu who did say that Powell was supporting Obama because they're both black. I know that's why Charlie Rangel and Jessie Jackson came out for Herman Cain. :p

Or maybe you're confusing us with those folks who are marketing and selling quite a number of those stickers and t-shirts that say "They call it the WHITE house for a reason".

There are quite likely blacks who are supporting Obama solely because he's black, and just as likely quite a few whites who are voting for Romney, not because he's white, but because he's the white guy available to beath the black guy. I think it's a wash, probably. But what I don't think is that any of those citizens have shown up yet in this thread. (Unless, of course, you're willing to take a stand.)
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Your post is too confusing to make any sense of but it sure sounds racist to me.
 
Robert Prey said:
So white people who vote for white people are racist, but black people who vote for black people are not racist. Excellent reasoning. And since you have associated Romney with white supremacists (guilt by association) you apparently have no problem at all with Obama and his support by Black Supremacists..
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YOU are the one who played the guilt by association card, or did you already forget about your own asinine post? Here, let me jog your memory.

The Colin Powell endorsement surely must be the final nail in Romney's coffin. First it was the Putin endorsement, then Chavez, then Castro, now Powell. This surely must put Romney-ites in a funk. Hopeless.
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This was obviously your lame attempt at trying to associate Obama with Putin, Chavez and Castro, as if there support of him means he shares their authoritarian views. The reason I mentioned white supremacists voting for Romney was to poke fun at this sort of logic.

ETA: Your use of the word "endorse" isn't quite right either. Putin simply called Obama a "good guy" and Raul Castro's daughter said she would like to see Obama win. No statement from Raul or Fidel concerning Obama.
 
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