Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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Craig B said:
Indeed he is, but the e-cat "wet steam" scam is an inexhaustible source of amusement and hilarity. Here is another item from Steve "The Snake" Krivit's journal: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/13/rossis-australian-investment-opportunity-falls-through/
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Wow. That's amazing. We now have concrete evidence---an invoice---of Rossi telling an obviously-gullible investor to wire him $130,000. This one snuck into the public eye, via the call to Australian Skeptics. I wonder how many quieter investors just wrote a check?

And the threatened lawsuit is even more amazing.
 
ben m said:
Wow. That's amazing. We now have concrete evidence---an invoice---of Rossi telling an obviously-gullible investor to wire him $130,000. This one snuck into the public eye, via the call to Australian Skeptics. I wonder how many quieter investors just wrote a check?

And the threatened lawsuit is even more amazing.
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Also remarkable in my view that invoice number is 101, which may imply that at least another 100 invoices were issued for licenses to unknown investors / entities. $13M or more in funding... Here we go with old good licensing scam...
 
Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo

Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo.
Unconditional with no purchase or profit share, just for demo.

blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/

So we have to wait till Feb 20th, 2012. If offer is not accepted, in my mind it's fraud.
 
ben m said:
Wow. That's amazing. We now have concrete evidence---an invoice---of Rossi telling an obviously-gullible investor to wire him $130,000. This one snuck into the public eye, via the call to Australian Skeptics. I wonder how many quieter investors just wrote a check?

And the threatened lawsuit is even more amazing.
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I have to wonder what the legal theory is - does he think that even preliminary discussions about possible investments are somehow a binding contract?

We should keep on top of that, as it will probably offer some serious Legaltainment(tm).
 
Poking around the Web, you can learn some amusing things about this "Byron New Energy" group. Are they the sort of people who we'd expect to make hard-nosed and insightful business decisions?

http://www.byronnewenergy.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page said:
Hopefully, a number of these BNE devices will be over unity (develop more power than apparently is consumed) by using generally renewable cosmic energy sources. In this way 'free' or very low cost renewable clean energy may be made available to humanity at large. This mission may thus fulfill a major requirement to enable humanity to move towards the Golden Age.

These devices will include but not be limited to making use of gravity, anti-gravity, electromagnetic, electronic, magnetic, water, hydrogen, oxygen, zero point or vacuum or radiant energy and/or cold fusion and may also include other potential sources of cosmic energy.
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The rest of their page is chock-full of new-agey crackpot physics. Oy.
 
Has he sold out??

First let me say I had a hard time finding this thread after being away from JREF for quite awhile. I only got here thanks to a reference in an old notification. Is there any reason why I couldn't find it in the main index??

Anyway, mainly I wanted to say that as much as ever I believe there is a high probability that cold fusion based on nickel/hydrogen is real. What I can't understand given the desperate need humanity has for this technology, why is it that only a trickle of progress is being made in getting it marketed?? Given the little I've read about this, Rossi, the main player, appears to be really dragging his feet. What possible reasons could he have for doing this. Personally, I think there's an excellent chance that "THEY" have found a way to get to him. This is not like when earlier earth shaking technology came on the scene. Now, like never before, this technology threatens the very viability of the firmly established power sources who stand to lose billions if replaced by this new technology. I can't recall any time in history when a new development clashed so dramatically with existing technologies. Think about it!
 
attaboy said:
First let me say I had a hard time finding this thread after being away from JREF for quite awhile. I only got here thanks to a reference in an old notification. Is there any reason why I couldn't find it in the main index??
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A thread will only stay on the first page if people are posting on it. You're the first person to post on this one for nearly two months.
 
attaboy said:
Anyway, mainly I wanted to say that as much as ever I believe there is a high probability that cold fusion based on nickel/hydrogen is real.
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I can't imagine why.

What I can't understand given the desperate need humanity has for this technology, why is it that only a trickle of progress is being made in getting it marketed??
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It all makes sense under the hypothesis that Rossi is a scammer and/or crackpot.

Given the little I've read about this, Rossi, the main player, appears to be really dragging his feet. What possible reasons could he have for doing this.
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Because if the scam ever actually delivers a product to a customer, it'll be obvious that the product doesn't work, and the game is over.
 
If there was a chance it would work then 'THEY' would be the first ones to develop it and make the billions it would bring in.
 
attaboy said:
First let me say I had a hard time finding this thread after being away from JREF for quite awhile. I only got here thanks to a reference in an old notification. Is there any reason why I couldn't find it in the main index??

Anyway, mainly I wanted to say that as much as ever I believe there is a high probability that cold fusion based on nickel/hydrogen is real. What I can't understand given the desperate need humanity has for this technology, why is it that only a trickle of progress is being made in getting it marketed?? Given the little I've read about this, Rossi, the main player, appears to be really dragging his feet. What possible reasons could he have for doing this. Personally, I think there's an excellent chance that "THEY" have found a way to get to him. This is not like when earlier earth shaking technology came on the scene. Now, like never before, this technology threatens the very viability of the firmly established power sources who stand to lose billions if replaced by this new technology. I can't recall any time in history when a new development clashed so dramatically with existing technologies. Think about it!
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Oh my.

The search function is right at the top of the forum page.

And THEY would also be interested in profit, so please take the conspiracy to the Conspiracy forum.
 
Dancing David said:
Oh my.

The search function is right at the top of the forum page.

And THEY would also be interested in profit, so please take the conspiracy to the Conspiracy forum.
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The search function was tried.
I think the appropriate place for this aspect is right here.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
If there was a chance it would work then 'THEY' would be the first ones to develop it and make the billions it would bring in.
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Historically, "THEY" seldom are the ones to develop the new technology but come in later and find a way to capitalize on it.
 
attaboy said:
Historically, "THEY" seldom are the ones to develop the new technology but come in later and find a way to capitalize on it.
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Alas, it's all nonsense and no conspiracy theories are necessary. See the hilarious April Fool spoof, and the index of previous articles (please peruse them) at http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/04/01/prof-bardis-cold-fusion-breakthrough-the-b-cat/ . The "b-cat" is a splendid invention.

The only people still with Rossi are a diminishing number of infatuated contrarian conspiracy theorists. You may find their meditations on "nickelpower" and on the numerous e-cat blogs. The Florida Board of Radiation Control affair put paid to any notion that Rossi has anything of interest whatsoever. You'll find it in Krivit's list of articles.

This Rossi business has been a fascinating example of a delusion or hallucination. I'm sure it will be studied for many years.

I'm also quite interested, Attaboy, in why you should suddenly announce, after all this time, that "they" have got to Rossi. Did "they" get to Blacklight too? What amazes me is that while free energy inventors are separating hillbillies or Australian sheep farmers from their dosh, "they" do nothing; but as soon as said inventors are required to deliver some results "they" step in and prevent it. Can you explain that? I can!
 
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attaboy said:
Anyway, mainly I wanted to say that as much as ever I believe there is a high probability that cold fusion based on nickel/hydrogen is real. What I can't understand given the desperate need humanity has for this technology, why is it that only a trickle of progress is being made in getting it marketed?? Given the little I've read about this, Rossi, the main player, appears to be really dragging his feet. What possible reasons could he have for doing this.
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Problems:
* Only promises and big announcements so far
* Patent application was denied because it is basically just blabla
* No experiment without lots of "flaws" (To be friendly)
* Shady history of Rossi
* Shady company (of Rossi, Defkalion)

For a long reference, with a list of experiments look here:
http://esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer
(I just noticed, the German version of this wiki also covers Defkalion in an extra article, looks rather shady too)

Australian Skeptics have found a incredible simple explanation how his reactor "works":
http://www.skeptics.com.au/latest/news/rossi-e-cat-technical-paper/
It is stunning in its simplicity and has of course nothing to do with cold fusion. Just a little rewiring ...

attaboy said:
Personally, I think there's an excellent chance that "THEY" have found a way to get to him.
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You explain it yourself. Were this real, all big companies would jump on it. Money is made with innovations. If you are the first, can patent it and market it, you are industry leader. Nobody suppresses new technologies, because money can be made with new technologies. It is usually as simple as that.
 
Obviously, Rossi is looking pretty shoddy right now.
But what about the work of Defkalion, Piantelli, George Miley, Brian Ahern and perhaps others. Are we to just dismiss them out of hand and say Ni-H technology is a total fraud?
 
attaboy said:
The search function was tried.
I think the appropriate place for this aspect is right here.
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I think when you show how people are repressing Rossi, then it belongs here. But given your total lack of evidence, it is a conspiracy theory.

ETA: I just typed 'cold fusion' (without the scarce quotes) into the search box and I wonder which thread was right at the top?
 
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attaboy said:
Obviously, Rossi is looking pretty shoddy right now.
But what about the work of Defkalion, Piantelli, George Miley, Brian Ahern and perhaps others. Are we to just dismiss them out of hand and say Ni-H technology is a total fraud?
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What about them, you point out the specifics and we can discuss.
 
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