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The Great Oz has spoken. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain....the...Great...er...Oz has spoken.


Think yourselves lucky I will give you audience in November instead of twenty years from now.
 
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Yevgen

Now, lets come back to the other portion of my message that you did not
comment on, regarding Cu and Ni oxides which reaction with H2 is clearly going be be exothermic.
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It is also worthy to note that there were no precious metals involved the alloy was Zr66%-Ni21%-Cu13%.
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The foils were baked in ordinary air at 445C for 28 hours.
The brittle, oxidized foils were placed in a tumble mill for 24 hours.
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So, why again we are surprised that this mix of oxides will produce heat when
reduced by hydrogen? H2 / NiO2 is effectively the energy storing couple used
in NiMH batteries...
Do you see any problem with this logic?
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It is very difficult from the information provided to determine the extent of oxidation of the metal foils in the initial steps of the experiment.

If you continue reading the experimental procedure you will notice that the metals oxides are heated under high pressure hydrogen repeatedly and stored under vacuum in between cycles.

Because the extent of metal reduction in the first cycles' initial heating phase of "several hours" when the temperature rose to an "arbitrary" level it is difficult to determine the extent of reduction during the first cycle of the experiment.

Without knowing the initial extent of oxydation or the extent of the reduction during the steps preceding the observation of "indefinite" excess heating of 5W (or 8 watts in the case of the second experiment) it is very complicated, without more knowledge, to make an informed statement about the chemical contribution to the observed heating effect.

It would be possible to roughly calculate the extent of oxydation and reduction if you knew the kinetic details of the various reactions of copper nickel and zirconium. I don't have the time to do these calculations myself but I invite you to do them if you can find the relevant kinetics data (it would make a first year chemistry exam question from hell).

If we assume that Dr. Ahern is of average intelligence and competency then he will have accounted for many of these questions before announcing his "replication".

Regardless of the results of a rough calculation of the extent of chemical contribution to the observed heating effect (indefinite 5W is too vague to quantify effectively... 8 watts for 4 hours is easy to quanitfy but the details of the experimental procedure are unpublished), an explanation for the delayed onset of the heating effect (it wasn't observed until after repeated hydrogen reduction/purge cycles), and the slow and constant reaction rate observed. Both these observations are unusual from a chemistry point view and an chemical explanation of the effect would have to account for these observations.

A satisfactory explanation of a mechanism for these lag and reaction rate observations based on literature reports of metal oxide reduction (very very strange observations) would be enough to get me to take the time to investigate the possible chemical origin of the effect more thoroughly.

Thank you for taking the time to read this long post and thank you for displaying a readiness to change your opinion with regard to ZrO2 reduction. If you applied the same level of concentration to results presented in the body of cold fusion literature that you have displayed in formulating your present argument on the chemical/non-chemical origin of the ahern result, you might find yourself surprised by the conclusions you reach (I know I was).
 
Dear, Mr. Krivit
I have carefully read <http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/16/preliminary-report-of-interviews-with-e-cat-trio-rossi-focardi-and-levi/>your preliminary report on your travel in Bologna. Your report clearly demonstrates that you have not understood anything of what you have seen and what we have explained you. First of all the story about the steam.
As the signature in my email says I got a PhD in Physics years ago. This means that I have totally understood the difference between residual water in steam as fraction of mass or volume. As I have unsuccessfully tried to explain you :
1) The plots you were showing are well known and you can find them in any manual of physical chemistry. They apply when you measure the quantity of steam present as % of VOLUME.

2) As I have told you many times, Dr. Galantini, the expert chemist that was in charge, has done a measure as percent of MASS.
As Professor Zanchini has told you the same day we met, one of the crucial informations you have omitted from your preliminary report, a fraction of water in the steam, measured by MASS as we have done, would reduce the amount of measured energy in a linear way.
So our calculation and our analysis is correct.

Because you:
Omitted part of information you had, insulted me (and my University) trying to say that I'm not prepared in my field, tried (just tried) to scare me and put me under psychological pressure in order to obtain so far undisclosed data, I will not send you any other information.

Regards,
Dr. G.Levi
 
Crawdaddy said:
If we assume that Dr. Ahern is of average intelligence and competency then he will have accounted for many of these questions before announcing his "replication".
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It's the new scientific method!

a) I tell you my result and my interpretation of it.
b) You assume I'm right and didn't make a mistake.
c) You guess what the experiment must have been.

Foolproof! That's how I discovered that the Sun is a ball of iron.
 
Ben M

It's the new scientific method!

a) I tell you my result and my interpretation of it.
b) You assume I'm right and didn't make a mistake.
c) You guess what the experiment must have been.

Foolproof! That's how I discovered that the Sun is a ball of iron.
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Would you care to explain how the reaction could be chemical?

Here's your starting point: 10g of a copper nickel zirconium alloy, puts out 2.8MJ of energy.

Keep it civil please.
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Ben M

Would you care to explain how the reaction could be chemical?

Here's your starting point: 10g of a copper nickel zirconium alloy, puts out 2.8MJ of energy.
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I don't think it put out 2.8MJ of energy to begin with, remember? Show me an experiment with competent, systematic-error-controlled calorimetry first, and I'll worry about whether that data requires a non-chemical explanation.
 
Crawdaddy said:
Ben M
Would you care to explain how the reaction could be chemical?

Here's your starting point: 10g of a copper nickel zirconium alloy, puts out 2.8MJ of energy.
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I've only had a smidgen of chemistry, but don't these types of problems usually have the other reactants and the reaction conditions in the givens?

I have yet to see the ins and outs for whatever is supposed to be happening in the magic box. I honestly hope it turns out to do what I have heard claimed. Not for any particular save-the-earth reason, but just because it would be cool.

I just can't jump on the bandwagon based solely on my hope that it is all true. At this point, it might as well be that zirconium alloys are the preferred food of magical pixies that generate energy when they eat. I am more used to the type of science where things are explained instead of concealed.
 
Here's Dorothy's dog Toto, the Wizard's "debunker". He looks as if he's playing hard ass. Maybe somebody could send him to Bologna to get a few answers from Dr Levi.
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BenBurch:
I have no doubt that the court system will eventually provide us with the correct answers.
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Well I hope the court system's ass is as hard as Toto's (although Italian courts already have some experience in locking Rossi up), in the light of Dr Levi's recent fulminations against poor Krivit, who now seems to be cured of his earlier naive credulity re Rossi and his gang.

http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011...cat-trio-rossi-focardi-and-levi/#comment-1169

is worth a read. Here's Rossi defending Levi:

Nevertheless, [Krivit] has understood nothing, or wanted not to understand, for reasons he better knows. Our tests have been performed by Physics Professors, who know how to make measures , and I am measuring the performance every day on 300 reactors.
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What a busy man he is!

In any case we will start our 1 MW plant in october and we will see how it works. Of course I assure his considerations are invalid, but I want to say more: our products on the market will confirm this. Probably this journalist has been sent by someone that wants to dwarf our work. He also tried to blackmail prof. Levi, and Levi already has given to his attorney due information.
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And here's Krivit's understandably exasperated response:

I find it very interesting that my news report, which lacks a lustrous glow and endorsement for Rossi, which presents a possible critical fault, should cause Rossi to become unglued and hostile.
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"Unglued" I like.

Another commentator asks the most pertinent question. Time and the courts may provide an answer.

John Davis, June 17, 2011 at 22:36. I suspect a better word ( ... ) may be fraud rather than fake. I wonder how many credulous investors have been suckered in so far?
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Rossi now seems totally unglued, judging by this bizarre diatribe in his journal:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360&cpage=21#comment-46697

Andrea Rossi June 17th, 2011 at 4:54 AM
Dear Roger Barker: Please read the answer I gave to Craig:
AGAIN : WE MADE THE MEASUREMENT OF THE WATER IN WEIGHT !!!!!!
AND WE EXPLAINED THIS TO KRIVIT VERY WELL!!!!!
AND HE GOT CONFIRMATION OF THIS FROM AN INDIPENDENT PROFESSOR HE CONTACTED !!!!!
NOBODY MAKES THIS KIND OF MEASUREMENT IN VOLUME, BECAUSE IT IS A NONSENSE !!!!!
KRIVIT SAID ” I HAVE UNDERSTOOD” WHEN I TOLD THIS DURING THE INTERVIEW.
I HAVE MANY WITNESSES OF WHAT ABOVE ENCLOSED THE PROF. HE CONTACTED TO GET INDIPENDENT COUNSEL !!!!!
BUT HE REPORTED THAT WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM: WE. PHYSICS PROFESSORS OF CERN, UNIVERSITY OF BOLOGNA, UNIVERSITY OF UPPSALA, UNIVARSITY OF STOCKOLM, WHO MADE THE TESTS!!!!! AND HE COMES HERE TO TESCH TO US PHYSICS!!!!!!
HE CAME TO US SMILING, VERY FRIENDLY, ACCEPTED TO BE INVITED TO GET LUNCH, ACCEPTED TAXI REMBOURSEMENT, MADE FAIR QUESTIONS, GOT PRECISE ANSWERS, AND NOW HE WRITES TOTALLY FALSE THINGS:
THIS IS A SNAKE, NOT A JOURNALIST, AND I WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO KNOW WHO SENT HIM (I HAVE A PRETTY IDEA, THOUGH, SINCE HE UNADVERTEDLY GAVE US A CLUE). Warm Regards, A.R.
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Emet

Re your #1600, page 40: How many points on the crackpot index http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html does that outburst earn Rossi? I've lost count!
 
Crawdaddy said:
Ben M

Would you care to explain how the reaction could be chemical?

Here's your starting point: 10g of a copper nickel zirconium alloy, puts out 2.8MJ of energy.

Keep it civil please.
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Here is your problem : you are assuming the input is correctely calculated, the output is correctely calculated, there is really *only* 10g of reactant, and tehre is no cheating going on , like heating element placed for that purpose in the chamber etc...etc...etc...

None of which anybody could have properly checked up to now.
 
How does Rossi get any time to do anything?

Observing Rossi's blog, I am still in confusion: how can he do any testing, or any design, while spending so much time on handling his blog? If you look at the blog, something happens on it on every day of the week, and the time is consistent with Rossi's travel between time zones US/Europe.
 
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How does Rossi get any time to do anything? Observing Rossi's blog, I am still in confusion: how can he do any testing, or any design, while spending so much time on handling his blog?
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To which we may add his exertions in "measuring the performance every day on 300 reactors". He's a veritable powerhouse.

But while you think up pettifogging questions, Rossi still has unquestioning defenders in the pages of his journal: yes, this has been published in the "Journal of Nuclear Physics"!

Dear Prof. Andrea Rossi
thank you very much for you ideas. In my opinion, E-Cat is a device that concentrates what Life does everywhere and everytime inside their evo-devo creatures. At this moment, E-Cat belongs to non-conventional physics, so it is suffering from the same troubles of non-conventional medicines. Don’t be worry, think Galileo and Sommelweis. Have you ever thought to ask the collaboration and protection of Elisabeth II, who’s the Queen of Meridian Zero of all google mapped people? I am sincerely, Stefano Marcelli
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(No, he probably hasn't ever thought of that, Stefano, and with good reason.)

Emet, can you help me with a crackpot index http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html query?

40 crackpot index points to Marcelli for Galileo, no problem. For "Sommelweis", should he get a Galileo-style 40 points for the martyrdom, or the mere 5 points he'd earn for the spelling, as in "Einstien", "Hawkins" or "Feynmann"?

For the suggestion that Rossi should "ask the collaboration and protection of Elisabeth II, who’s the Queen of Meridian Zero of all google mapped people" (first time I've heard that title, by the way, but I'm not much of a royalist) I think poor Marcelli has fallen off the far end of the crackpot index scale, and he should at once start a program of long-term institutional care.
Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Meridian Zero of All Google-Mapped People, Queen.
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Sounds good to me!
 
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