Merged Cold Fusion Claims

[Horatius]

It is even worse: Back to the old 'Peer Review Conspiracy' supported by a Google search do the research !

I'll just cross-quote myself from a recent thread in the Conspiracy Theories section:

The "do your own research" line is pretty much the defining Shibboleth for CTs. If someone says that, or a close variation on it, it's about 90% sure they're spouting a CT, or are about to.

 

[attaboy]

Here ya go guys.

DIY cold fusion?? (Note- originally using the name “cold fusion” has been cited as a major contributor to the subsequent controversy)

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/04/e...-build-instructions-for-pirelli-athanor-cell/

Maybe we could rename it "Build - a - Fraud"

 

[catsmate]

DIY cold fusion?? (Note- originally using the name “cold fusion” has been cited as a major contributor to the subsequent controversy)

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/04/e...-build-instructions-for-pirelli-athanor-cell/

Maybe we could rename it "Build - a - Fraud"

Fascinating comments,. how the believers flock to exchange their conspiracy theories and the scammers to advertise their frauds.

 

[Farsight]

Are you guys for real? You equate do your own research to conspiracy theories[/i]? LOL, what planet are you on?

The idea of clean energy is great, but it is no way valid evidence of LENR or cold fusion. Where is the evidence? I haven't seen you present any hard scientific evidence yet.

Yes you have. There's particle tracks, see for example this. Now do your own research.

(Farsight shows a creationist a fossil. That's not evidence, he says. Farsight shows him the rock strata. That's not evidence, he says. Farsight shows him the carbon dating. That's not evidence, he says. And so it goes.)

 

[catsmate]

Are you guys for real? You equate do your own research to conspiracy theories[/i]? LOL, what planet are you on?

Planet reality. Where "do your own research" is the call of the wooster.

Yes you have. There's particle tracks, see for example this. Now do your own research.

No repetition, no quantitative analysis of the supposed neutrons (number, energy or timing) and no exclusion of other potential sources.
Wow, Farsight that's good stuff.

(Farsight shows a creationist a fossil. That's not evidence, he says. Farsight shows him the rock strata. That's not evidence, he says. Farsight shows him the carbon dating. That's not evidence, he says. And so it goes.)

Scientists show Farsight facts, Farsight ignores them because they're injurious to his ego.

 

[Craig B]

Are you guys for real? You equate do your own research to conspiracy theories[/i]? LOL, what planet are you on?

Yes you have. There's particle tracks, see for example this. Now do your own research.

(Farsight shows a creationist a fossil. That's not evidence, he says. Farsight shows him the rock strata. That's not evidence, he says. Farsight shows him the carbon dating. That's not evidence, he says. And so it goes.)

This thread commenced as a discussion of claims made by and on behalf of Andrea Rossi, in respect of his "energy catalyser". What do you think of the validity of these claims now, Farsight?

 

[Dancing David]

Are you guys for real? You equate do your own research to conspiracy theories[/i]? LOL, what planet are you on?

Yes you have. There's particle tracks, see for example this. Now do your own research.

(Farsight shows a creationist a fossil. That's not evidence, he says. Farsight shows him the rock strata. That's not evidence, he says. Farsight shows him the carbon dating. That's not evidence, he says. And so it goes.)

I am sorry you think that shows you presented this before, and that somehow I denied that it is evidence.

What is the means for recording the tracks?

It looks as though it is C-39 correct?

So what control did they use to protect the C-39 prior to the test run? And what methods did they use to verify that they were from alpha particles created in the experiment run?

I am also not sure why they would use this method for determining such events. You seem to have posted a comment upon an actual paper.

So I will ask is this the actual source?

Do you wish to discuss the SPAWAR paper like this one?
http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/357printed.pdf

I also hope to have a conversation with you where you avoid the use of such silly rhetoric and spinning.

ETA: I also notice this research is rather dated.

 

[BenBurch]

Farsight, OK, so sell me one.

In all these years, nobody will sell me an over-unity machine.

 

[Acleron]

That's because you have got it wrong.

First you give them money

Then err...

 

[attaboy]

No it isn't. Get real, catsmate. Peer-review is abused to enforce orthodoxy. Go do the research.

So very true, Farsight - happens all the time. If Einstein, for example, had not caught the attention of Max Planck back in the day, he'd have been laughed out of the physics community.

 

[attaboy]

Are you guys for real? You equate do your own research to conspiracy theories[/i]? LOL, what planet are you on?

I'm sure you realize by now that the motivation for many of these people being on here is highly suspect. They seem to go into a cold sweat and get very nervous at even the barest hint that conspiracy is being alluded to.

 

[attaboy]

Farsight, OK, so sell me one.

In all these years, nobody will sell me an over-unity machine.

I suggest you contact these kids over in Italy.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/04/en...-athanor-cell/

Why they may even agree to make you one.

 

[Acleron]

I suggest you contact these kids over in Italy.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/04/en...-athanor-cell/

Why they may even agree to make you one.

The page you reference is strangely reminiscent of the evidence for their claims.

 

[Tubbythin]

So very true, Farsight - happens all the time. If Einstein, for example, had not caught the attention of Max Planck back in the day, he'd have been laughed out of the physics community.

Erm. Evidence please. As far as I'm aware, he got his 1905 papers published in a peer reviewed journal prior to any kind of endorsement from Planck.

 

[catsmate]

So very true, Farsight - happens all the time. If Einstein, for example, had not caught the attention of Max Planck back in the day, he'd have been laughed out of the physics community.

If you'd boithered to actually check you'd know this simply isn't true.
But then the fact that you're lying doesn't bother you, does it?

I'm sure you realize by now that the motivation for many of these people being on here is highly suspect. They seem to go into a cold sweat and get very nervous at even the barest hint that conspiracy is being alluded to.

And the conspiratorial mutterings continue. Without evidence of course........

The page you reference is strangely reminiscent of the evidence for their claims.

 

[Evilgiraffe]

The page you reference is strangely reminiscent of the evidence for their claims.

Presumably attaboy meant this page (http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/04/english-translation-of-build-instructions-for-pirelli-athanor-cell/), but copy-pasted the truncated version displayed by the forum software.

However, there's no evidence that what is described on the page actually works. As usual.

 

[Farsight]

This thread commenced as a discussion of claims made by and on behalf of Andrea Rossi, in respect of his "energy catalyser". What do you think of the validity of these claims now, Farsight?

Dodgy, Craig. But as regards the subject as a whole, I take a baby-and-bathwater view. This stuff is potentially of save-the-planet importance. I think it's wrong to sneer and dismiss.

 

[Farsight]

So very true, Farsight - happens all the time. If Einstein, for example, had not caught the attention of Max Planck back in the day, he'd have been laughed out of the physics community.

Or he'd have never got in. Yes, it's a good thing he caught the attention of Max Planck.

I'm sure you realize by now that the motivation for many of these people being on here is highly suspect.

Yeah, there seems to be a distinct lack of sincerity from some who appear to be dedicated sneermongers.

Erm. Evidence please. As far as I'm aware, he got his 1905 papers published in a peer reviewed journal prior to any kind of endorsement from Planck.

Do your own research, Tubby. See Annelen der Physik on wiki and note this bit: "In these times, peer-review was not yet standard. Einstein just sent his manuscripts to Planck who gave them into print." Einstein didn't have to get past peer review. If he had, he would have ended his days at the patent office.

In all these years, nobody will sell me an over-unity machine.

Sure, but you'll be buying LEDs with 200% efficiency sometimes soon. See the physicsworld article LED converts heat into light:

"A light-emitting diode (LED) that emits more light energy than it consumes in electrical energy has been unveiled by researchers in the US. The device – which has a conventional efficiency of greater than 200% – behaves as a kind of optical heat pump that converts lattice vibrations into infrared photons, cooling its surroundings in the process. The possibility of such a device was first predicted in 1957, but a practical version had proved impossible to create until now. Potential applications of the phenomenon include energy-efficient lighting and cryogenic refrigeration".

 

[Tubbythin]

Do your own research, Tubby. See Annelen der Physik on wiki and note this bit: "In these times, peer-review was not yet standard. Einstein just sent his manuscripts to Planck who gave them into print." Einstein didn't have to get past peer review. If he had, he would have ended his days at the patent office.

I did. Just not very thoroughly. I have better things to do when what I was objecting to in the first place is so badly supported.

 

[attaboy]

Erm. Evidence please. As far as I'm aware, he got his 1905 papers published in a peer reviewed journal prior to any kind of endorsement from Planck.

In 1905 the three epochal papers of the hitherto completely unknown Albert Einstein were published in the journal Annalen der Physik. Planck was among the few who immediately recognized the significance of the special theory of relativity. Thanks to his influence this theory was soon widely accepted in Germany. Planck also contributed considerably to extend the special theory of relativity.