Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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unclep2k said:
Miley is getting over 200 watts with nothing in.
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Evidence of this claim? Preferably from a neutral party with the relevant expertise.

unclep2k said:
I can't see how he could miscaculate the calorimetry. All he has to do is measure the 200 watts. I really don't care much about the transmutations he says he is seeing.
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That would depend on his alleged process. Of course he could be deluded or lying.
 
BenBurch said:
Not that I think he has anything, but many companies who want to retain control of their products have developed leasing situations in which you did not own and so could not disassemble their products.
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Sounds good to me. I don't think I'd want to disassemble a contraption that's got weird unknown nuclear reactions going on somewhere in its insides.
 
Calorimetry can be screwed up in a lot of ways. Pons and Fleischmann, in spite of being professional electrochemists, botched it badly.

Things that are problems;

1. Not accounting for mass leaving the system.
2. Not accounting for energy leaving the system.
3. Not accounting for phase change energy of mass in the system.
4. Not accurately measuring power supplied to drive the electro-chemical initiator.
5. In a flowing water system, not accounting for the energy supplied to or removed from the system properly.
6. Failure to deal properly with product gasses.
7. Failure to run a system longer than would be required to consume the materials contained in a chemical reaction.
8. Failure to do the maths correctly in any one of dozens of ways.
 
BenBurch said:
Not that I think he has anything, but many companies who want to retain control of their products have developed leasing situations in which you did not own and so could not disassemble their products.
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Yes, but then you're just quibbling about the difference between a sale and a lease. Even a real company agreeing to leasing these things based on proven performance would be major news, and yet, we're told absolutely nothing about the customers, their industry, or any deals they may or may not have signed.
 
Violation of thermodinamics law, Maxwell’s theory, and cold fusion

by W. Guglinski in Rossi's blog:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516&cpage=8#comments


The operation of the eCat in self sustained model during 5,5 hours has stimullated the reaction of the physicists, as we may see in some mainstream journals, as Discovery News:
“Scientists say the method — cold fusion — is patently impossible. They say it defies the laws of physics.”
Of course cold fusion does NOT violate the fundamental law of thermodinamics: the energy comes from some “place”. The problem with the current prevailling theories is because from their foundations there is no way to explain what sort of “place” it can be.

However, there is another mystery that current theories cannot explain. Because beyond the quantum spin of elementary particles, they also have an intrinsic spin: they gyrate about their axis (as the Earth gyrates about its axis in 24 hours). Such rotation of the particles create their magnetic fields. For instance, within a nucleus the protons gyrate, and their rotation is responsible for the nuclear magnetic field of the nucleus (the nucleus also has a rotation, which increases the magnetic field created by the protons).

But from Maxwell’s theory an electric charge with rotation must irradiate eleoctromagnetic energy (photons). And so, a proton gyrating would have to emit electromagnetic energy, and it would have to stop to gyrate after its kinetic energy of rotation is over.

Therefore the current theories cannot explain why the elementary particles like the proton and electron violate the Maxwell’s law.

In Quantum Ring Theory the proton has two fields: one inner principal field (composed by a flux of gravitons), and its rotation induces an external secondary electromagnetic field (composed by electric massless particles of the aether).
The electromagnetic field does not gyrate (and therefore it does not violate the Maxwell’s law).

But the inner gravitational field of the proton gyrates, and so it must emit gravitational energy.
But the proton’s gravitational fields does not stop to gyrate.
And therefore we have to conclude that, in spite of its field of gravitions emits gravitational energy, obviously it must receive gravitational energy from “somewhere”, in order to replace the energy emited.

The question is: “where” the energy which replaces the energy emitted by the proton’s gravitational field comes from ?

It is known that Tesla supposed that the energy of the radiactive nuclei comes from the Sun. And he has reason to be intrigued with the phenomenon. After all, the radiactive nuclei emit energy along billion years. It’s hard to believe that such energy was stored into a nucleus, which continues emitting it along billions years.

I think Tesla was right. I suspect that the gravitational energy which replaces the energey emitted by the proton’s field comes from the Sun.

I also think such gravitational energy coming from the Sun is responsible for the excess energy in cold fusion occurrence.

As it’s impossible to have violation of the fundamental law of thermodinamics, then (when Rossi’s eCat will be definitivelly accepted by the scientific oomunnity) the physicists will be obliged to realize that the energy supplied by the eCat working in the self sustained mode comes from somewhere.
 
Cuddles said:
The plant will catch fire after being lost at sea but will be rescued by friendly pirates who accidentally explode, taking out his bank's data centre. The inability to reach his money will, of course, prevent him from being able to follow the government's health and safety regulations, leading to a major supplier pulling out. Hearing this, the patent office will fake its own death. Rossi will ignore all of this, but will be forced to make everything public when a lone pirate survivor washes ashore on Christmas day.

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Lost at Sea|Cuddles|||Horatius||||
Pirates!||Cuddles|||Horatius|||
Explosion!||Cuddles|Aepervius|Aepervius||||
"Accident"|catsmate1|Cuddles||||||
Dang Gubbmint!||catsmate1|nathan|Cuddles||TjW||
Health&Safety||nathan||Cuddles|||marplots|
Technical Problems||TjW|Cuddles|||||
Money Problems|||Cuddles|||TjW||
Supply Problems|||Kid Eager|Kid Eager|Cuddles|||
Patent "Issues"|||CriticalThanking|||Horatius|Cuddles|Craig B
Fakes Death||catsmate1|BenBurch||||Cuddles|Horatius
Ignores everything||Horatius|Mr.D|Mr.D||||Cuddles
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:D
Who is the winner ?????????
:p
 
pedrone said:
by W. Guglinski in Rossi's blog:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516&cpage=8#comments
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A fair amount of ignorance from W. Guglinski about Rossi's work
(and physics in general).

Rossi's proposed mecahnaism is not classical cold fusion (which is hydrogrn fusing).
It is the magic transformation of nickel into copper.

That cold fusion violates "the fundamental law of thermodynamics" is a fantasy of W. Guglinski not a statement that I have seen abut cold fusion.
Cold fusion violates the known laws of nuclear physics, i.e. that you need enormous energy to overcome the Coulomb repulsion between protons and atomic nuclei. That means that fusion needs high pressures and temperatures.

W. Guglinski has no idea what intrinsic spin is in quantum mechanics. It is not a classical spin ('gyrating' as he calls it).
Spin is a type of angular momentum, where angular momentum is defined in the modern way as the "generator of rotations" (see Noether's theorem).[1][2] This modern definition of angular momentum is not the same as the historical classical mechanics definition, L = r × p. (The historical definition, which does not include spin, is more specifically called "orbital angular momentum".)
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Also Maxwell’s theory states that a accelerating charge radiates energy. A rotating point particle like a proton does not have a surface to have charge on it which accelerates. The measured size of the fundamental particles means that if they have a surface then that surface must be rotating at many times the speed of light to explain their magnetic moments.

The rest of the post is just gibberish and a sales pitch for his book
 
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pedrone said:
:D
Who is the winner ?????????
:p
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It's still ongoing; none of us predicted a fake customer. Once this falls through, we might see one of the other options win out.



But I despair of Rossi being creative enough to blame it on pirates, alas....
 
unclep2k said:
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...t-Work-There-is-Only-One-Way-to-Find-Out.html
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That post is pretty much a cut-and-paste of this blog:


http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/n...11/01/how-to-know-if-the-rossi-e-cat-is-real/


And it reveals a complete lack of understanding on his part as to the history of cold fusion devices, and the techniques of scam artists.


Al Fin, Bless ‘em, said, “It is fascinating that so many people want to put themselves on record on either one side or the other, when the obvious rational thing for most people — most outsiders — to do is to wait for more information. Unless you have money or reputation on the line here, there is no need to declare a strong opinion one way or the other — if you have no inside knowledge.”
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Well, this is just complete ********, because it denies the possibility of coming to a conclusion based on twenty years of failed promises about devices very similar to Rossi's, and twenty years of failed theories, that contradict well-established theories. With this sort of attitude, we would never be allowed to ever express an opinion on the validity of any claim, ever, because we don't have "inside knowledge" of all the scams out there.

But we don't take that position anywhere else; the latest homoeopathy claims are likely bunk, because every other homoeopathy claim we've ever examined has been bunk. The latest psychic claims are likely bunk, because every other psychic claim we've ever examined has been bunk. This latest cold fusion claim is likely bunk, because every other cold fusion claim we've examined has been bunk.

Is it 100% certain bunk? No, but it's not the 50-50 wait and see probability he implies, either. Twenty years of failed promises means the cold fusioners have lost the benefit of the doubt - it's time to put up, or shut up, and so far, they haven't put up.



There is also the prospect that some firms will buy an E-Cat both for the leadership opportunity as well as the energy savings. That sets up the prospect that the definitive proof won’t come from Rossi or a proponent – we may hear of a firm whose E-Cat experience meets or exceeds that original specification. Perhaps that will accompany a new lower priced better product.

That kind of scenario isn’t going to make world headlines.
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And here, he's simply delusional. This business is already producing headlines. Definitive proof by a real customer who is really using this system would make headlines everywhere. Does he really think a working device that overturns major laws of physics would not make headlines?


All this simply puts facility managers, planners and designers on notice. What those folks need to get done is to get on the list at Rossi’s firm and start the process of getting past the defensive wall there to be on the inside for the due diligence needed for assessing the risks and costs for buying an E-Cat for a plant. Heaven forbid a competitor getting one first, especially if the process heat an E-Cat makes is a major cost in production expense.
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And here, he buys into, and urges everyone else to buy into, exactly what the scam artists want you to buy into - the panic buy. "Got to get it now, now, now! I'm late, I'm falling behind, ignore the doubters, I might miss out!" Get them excited, get them to stop thinking, then get their money. And he's encouraging that.
 
Reality Check said:
A fair amount of ignorance from W. Guglinski about Rossi's work
(and physics in general).


Also Maxwell’s theory states that a accelerating charge radiates energy. A rotating point particle like a proton does not have a surface to have charge on it which accelerates. The measured size of the fundamental particles means that if they have a surface then that surface must be rotating at many times the speed of light to explain their magnetic moments.
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:D
Reality Check does not know that particles like the proton have an electric field.

:D:p
He also does not know that if a particle with its field rotates, according to Maxwell's theory it must emit energy.

:D
 
posted by Guglinski in Rossi's blog:

Edited by jhunter1163: 
Edited for Rule 4. Do not post lengthy quotes from other sites. Links to sources are OK.
 
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BenBurch said:
Spin is not rotation.
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Well, to be fair, protons are not point-like particles in the Standard Model, so pedrone was not wrong to point out Reality Check's mistake (although he's wrong about why)
 
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