Coke creates advert that causes conservatives to go nuts

[DavidJames]

What rate of change would equal pandemonium to you, Corsair?

Cpl Ferro

You are the one equating change to pandemonium, why don't you specify the rate of change.

 

[thaiboxerken]

You are the one equating change to pandemonium, why don't you specify the rate of change.

I'm glad that costumes and food has changed since the creation of the USA. I also like that it keeps changing, the multi-culturism has led me to discover many awesome foods, art and "costumes" over my short lifetime.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Thanks, Matthew, that's something like my intuition would have it.



I'd say it's the primary consideration. There can be secondary considerations like geography or political disagreements. But really, don't the borders in Europe, for example, mostly lie along linguistic lines? Germans speak German, Frenchmen speak French, Spaniards speak Spanish, etc.?

Cpl Ferro

And the Austrians speak Austrian and the Swiss speak Swiss-ish and the Liechtensteiners speak Liechtensteinsprak and the Thais just speak Thai and the Chinese all speak Mandarin and the Chileans speak Chilean and the Brazilians speak Brazilian and the Americans speak Americanese?

What lily white closed off bubble of a world do you live in?

 

[Foolmewunz]

One of the most beloved commercials in American media/advertising history.



All in English, but you want to bet there would be outrage (Outrage, I say!) that they filmed it in Italy and with all those non-Americans in it.

 

[Accidental Martyr]

I bow in deference to your superior knowledge of sugar waters.

Maybe RC Cola then?

Hmmm, that won't work either. RC Cola is now owned by a Canadian company. In addition to being foreigners, they're a bunch of socialists with their evil UHC.
One thing that's being overlooked here is the new dilemma this causes for right-wingers. Chick-fil-A serves Coke.

 

[rdaneel]

One of the most beloved commercials in American media/advertising history.



All in English, but you want to bet there would be outrage (Outrage, I say!) that they filmed it in Italy and with all those non-Americans in it.

Yeah, someone posted that in the thread earlier, it's kinda been stuck in my head since. Not that I mind really, it's a pretty song and put's me in a good mood.

 

[Mudcat]

One thing that's being overlooked here is the new dilemma this causes for right-wingers.

I seem to recall that there was a small controversy over the fact that Pepsi had printed the Pledge of Allegiance, sans 'Under God' on their Dr. Pepper cans and/or bottles. So even if they no longer go with Coca-Cola, it's not like they can switch to Pepsi.

I'm a southerner though, so I'm partially partial to Coke myself.

 

[fuelair]

It's been attributed to many people from 1881 to 2007 (and maybe more that I don't know of).

Per Snopes reporting, the earliest known provable use of it was in 1926 - but no evidence that it was said by a specific person. It is thought possible that it is a change on a known phrase involved with the King James version that went (app.) "If Peter the Apostle used it it is good enough for me/us."

 

[angrysoba]

I'd say it's the primary consideration. There can be secondary considerations like geography or political disagreements. But really, don't the borders in Europe, for example, mostly lie along linguistic lines? Germans speak German, Frenchmen speak French, Spaniards speak Spanish, etc.?

Not exactly, no. In fact, the borders may have resulted in sharper distinctions between what the French and, say, the Italians speak, but in Alsace people speak German (or Alsatian) as well as French. In some parts of France, Breton is spoken. Spain also has a number of minority languages, principally Basque and Catalan, whereas the standard dialect of Spanish is called Castilian. Also, Belgium has three main languages, and Ireland has two.

 

[Corsair 115]

What rate of change would equal pandemonium to you, Corsair?

Not the rate of change seen today, insofar as culture goes. Even technological change, while rapid, is not that bad. And let's not forget that knowledge expands with those changes, and lots of fascinating new things are uncovered and learned in that process.

 

[The Don]

Not exactly, no. In fact, the borders may have resulted in sharper distinctions between what the French and, say, the Italians speak, but in Alsace people speak German (or Alsatian) as well as French. In some parts of France, Breton is spoken. Spain also has a number of minority languages, principally Basque and Catalan, whereas the standard dialect of Spanish is called Castilian. Also, Belgium has three main languages, and Ireland has two.

Yes, and if you factor in dialects it becomes even more muddied. In the parts of Italy which were once part of Savoy French is spoken and understood. In the Alto Adige, German is spoken and I have no idea what the heck they speak in Sicily.

I live in place which is officially bilingual. All official communications come in two languages and it was very confusing the first time something arrived an the Welsh bit was on top.

That's the official picture but there are neighbourhoods in nearby cities where the major spoken language isn't English but Eastern European languages, African languages or Sub-continental languages.

Thinking about my friends and taking it down a level further there are individual households where the spoken language is French, Polish, Swedish, Thai, Danish, Norwegian, German, Dutch and so on..

 

[lobosrul]

Thanks, Matthew, that's something like my intuition would have it.



I'd say it's the primary consideration. There can be secondary considerations like geography or political disagreements. But really, don't the borders in Europe, for example, mostly lie along linguistic lines? Germans speak German, Frenchmen speak French, Spaniards speak Spanish, etc.?

Cpl Ferro

And Catalan, Galician, Basque and a few other "endangered languages".

 

[Rasmus]

One of the most beloved commercials in American media/advertising history.



All in English, but you want to bet there would be outrage (Outrage, I say!) that they filmed it in Italy and with all those non-Americans in it.

Wonder what they'd think of the "I'm lovin it" campaign of a certain fast food place ...

 

[Border Reiver]

Dear Reiver,







Yay, I have neighbours I can't even talk to but we're all part of this wonderful stew of humanity called America...





How could a French-speaking America even come into existence without being connected with France or other French-derived countries?



Have you never heard of translational difficulties? Different languages are different ways of thinking. To speak French is to think differently because there are words for X in one language that are lacking in another, and vice versa.



Beyond that, everyone here, who are globalist sophisticates to a man as far as I can tell, doesn't care a whiff about tradition, including the several-century-old tradition of speaking English in America. As Thomas Cahill put it in The Gifts of the Jews, (paraphr.) we are creatures enamoured of the New and increasingly despising of the Old, of Tradition. I think this is a problem, that Tradition offers stability from which to survey the New. Endless New is toxic to Tradition and therefore eats away our foundation for identity.



Cpl Ferro

Odds are pretty good your neighbours are learning English to work with the dominant local language. Or they're still using (insert language X here) around the house as a way of maintaining some of their own traditions, either way they are your neighbours. You can either be friendly or not, but I know which one makes life easier.

Being from a country with 2 official languages, yes I am aware of translational difficulties. Oddly, people are able to work through them.

As a member of the CAF, I am acutely aware of tradition. My own philosophy on it and one that I share with a good many people is that mindlessly doing something because "it's tradition" is pointless unless the tradition supports a valid goal. For example, even if no other part of Canadian society did so, the military would still hold our Remembrance Day ceremonies to honour the sacrifices of those who have gone before us, because that particular call back gives hope to those currently serving that what we are called to do means something, we still hold "Soldiers Christmas Dinners" where the officers and SNCOs serve the JNCOs and do the clean up as a way of saying thank you, and to remind us in the "high-priced help" where we started and where the lowest of us can rise to - all valid social goals.

What social goal does not speaking another language serve, and why should it be supported?

 

[cwalner]

This conversation puts me in mind of something I recall from when I was in high school. My area had a large number of Indian immigrants, where the kids my age were born within a few years of moving to the US. This means that the children grew up in an English speaking environment and spoke English with the standard accent of the area (SO Cal). However, their parents, while not quite native, spoke and understood English well enough that I considered them fluent.

The thing that caught me by surprise the first time I witnessed it, was watching one of my friends communicating with his parents. Both were fluent in both English and Hindi, but the child was more comfortable with the former, and the parent the latter. This resulted in them having a conversation where the two parties were quite literally not speaking the same language and yet everything was fully understood.

I, for one, think that this is very cool and would not want to see an America without this happening somewhere.

 

[superfreddy]

This conversation puts me in mind of something I recall from when I was in high school. My area had a large number of Indian immigrants, where the kids my age were born within a few years of moving to the US. This means that the children grew up in an English speaking environment and spoke English with the standard accent of the area (SO Cal). However, their parents, while not quite native, spoke and understood English well enough that I considered them fluent.

The thing that caught me by surprise the first time I witnessed it, was watching one of my friends communicating with his parents. Both were fluent in both English and Hindi, but the child was more comfortable with the former, and the parent the latter. This resulted in them having a conversation where the two parties were quite literally not speaking the same language and yet everything was fully understood.

I, for one, think that this is very cool and would not want to see an America without this happening somewhere.

It happens in my family everyday. My wife talks to the kids in Spanish, they answer in English.

I prefer not to talk to them

 

[3point14]

I think it's the fact that, with modern technology, the idiots have a voice, and we tend to hear the idiotic voices the most clearly as we remark, "Did that idiot really just say that?"

It also allows like-minded idiots from all over the country to get together and shout in concert and ensure they doin'tget drowned out by the sensible people.

 

[3point14]

Actually, this is almost a running joke. What is "American food" anyway? BBQ, probably. And fast food.

Over here in the UK, the traditional dish is Curry. Go figure.

 

[cwalner]

It happens in my family everyday. My wife talks to the kids in Spanish, they answer in English.

Oh, I'm sure. I never meant to imply that I thought that this was unique to just one group of immigrants. It was just that where I lived, there were a large number of Indian immigrants and I therefore was close friends with some of them and was able to witness this.

The bizarre twist on this is that later I spent a year studying abroad in Spain, and when my host sister's English class was raising funds to take a field trip to London, I went to pitch in and met her English teacher (Native to Spain). We had the same type of conversation except I was speaking Spanish and he was speaking English. Not only were both speaking different languages, we were each speaking the other person's native language instead of our own.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I, for one, think that this is very cool and would not want to see an America without this happening somewhere.

I'll raise a can of Liberal Juice to that!