Coast to Coast AM Debate, August 21 2010

[Jonnyclueless]

It wasn't just 'X' Angrysoba. It was X.Y and Z. Three buildings collapsing and all three being declared the first events of their kinds in the recorded history of this Planet. For a government explanation of 9/11 to include such rubbish should tell you all you need to know.

The tinfoil hat is clearly becoming de rigueur among you official conspiracy types.

http://www.eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php

I like how you say this as if all 3 just collapsed the same day by sheer coincidence.

The silly things twoofers will do.

 

[bardamu]

Just imagine someone kicking the stool out from under you. You'll be in free-fall, at least for a moment. That's what happened to WTC7.

Just imagine the stool was made of steel and somebody lit a fire underneath it.

 

[jhunter1163]

Post #839? Bill? Tony? Anyone?

 

[triforcharity]

It's amazing how hard truthers struggle with the obvious.

Don't forget: the plastic hinges were near the connections and the connections had less capacity than the members. Ergo the connections fail before the column reaches the plastic state.

[truthermode] There was no plastic hinges!! The entire structure was metal!!!11!!eleventy [/Truthermode]

 

[triforcharity]

The term "cherry picking" is BS. You use it when you have no rebuttal. All statements in all the reports are a matter of public record and may be quoted.

Flying spagetti monster, do you need to be shown the value of quoting the entire text?? We've been through this before.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Just imagine the stool was made of steel and somebody lit a fire underneath it.

I think you mean imagine someone flying a holographic airplane into the stool and then shooting the legs off with a orbital laser cannon 100 miles overhead.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Post #839? Bill? Tony? Anyone?

You mean this post?

What evidence is there of failures occurring a dozen floors below the east penthouse? In the videos I only see light through windows one floor below the roofline of the main building.

The following is taken from The National Institute of Standards and Technology's youtube channel.

WTC7, just prior to the start of the 16 second collapse sequence. NIST is one of the few youtube vids that show the early part of the collapse sequence. East Mechanical Penhouse is marked.

Roofline of the EMP has buckled, the collapse is now underway, and probably has been for a few seconds prior to this. Some damage (circled in blue) has appeared on a window pane several floors directly underneath the collapsing penthouse.

Failure of the EMP continues, the majority of the structure remains on top of the building at this point, however the damage several floors below has gotten worse. three windows appear to be broken. Separated from eachother by intact windows. We know that this is not due to a blast event, because an explosive shockwave powerful enough to rend structural steel would have taken out every window on that floor, possibly others above and below. Explosive shockwaves don't pick and choose what they destroy in this manner.

The EMP is almost completely gone by this point. The damage several floors down is worse again. Having eliminated blast events as the cause, and since it started simultaneously with the beginning of the EMPs collapse, a more likely explanation is weakening and failure of nearby structural supports, twisting and distortion of the buildings frame has affected the windows closest to the initial failure. It is obviously this failure deep inside the main body of WTC7 which caused the collapse of the East Mechanical Penthouse and is directly related to the collapse of the building as whole.

Tony "You Must Be a Jew" Szamboti will be unable to provide a satisfactory explanation of these observations that fits a blast scenario (Mr. Randi, I'll take my million in Canadian funds).

Bill's response I don't care for. I could practically write it for him.

Watching Tony squirm (or call me a jew) would be more interesting.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

I never called anyone a Jew on this forum or anywhere else for that matter.

Anyone who has an interest can look at the exchange between Mark Roberts and myself where Mark Roberts brought up the slur (jew) and I said I was asking if he owed his allegiance souly to the United States or whether or not he was a dual citizen. I said it had nothing to do with being Jewish and that I was 1/16th Jewish myself.

Sword of Truth you sir are a liar

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[twinstead]

I never called anyone a Jew on this forum or anywhere else for that matter.

Anyone who has an interest can look at the exchange between Mark Roberts and myself where Mark Roberts brought up the slur (jew) and I said I was asking if he owed his allegiance souly to the United States or whether or not he was a dual citizen. I said it had nothing to do with being Jewish and that I was 1/16th Jewish myself.

Sword of Truth you sir are a liar

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Do you perhaps have a comment on his images and analysis?

 

[jhunter1163]

I'm John Hunter, of Bridgeport, Connecticut, and I'd like to know if Mr. Szamboti has a response to Sword of Truth's post #839 (as reposted in post #947).

No pseudonym for me, Mr. S. I await your reply.

 

[alienentity]

I never called anyone a Jew on this forum or anywhere else for that matter.

Anyone who has an interest can look at the exchange between Mark Roberts and myself where Mark Roberts brought up the slur (jew) and I said I was asking if he owed his allegiance souly to the United States or whether or not he was a dual citizen. I said it had nothing to do with being Jewish and that I was 1/16th Jewish myself.

Sword of Truth you sir are a liar

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It's true - you talked about the Israelis and Mossad. And alleged dual-citizens in the government, then you badgered Gravy to explain whether he was a dual-citizen.

Don't know where anyone would get the Jew reference from...

Here's Tony's list: 'Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Ari Fleischer, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Dov Zakheim, Richard Perle, Philip Zelikow. Michael Mukasey'

Any non-Jews on the list? Tony?

 

[TexasJack]

I'm John Hunter, of Bridgeport, Connecticut, and I'd like to know if Mr. Szamboti has a response to Sword of Truth's post #839 (as reposted in post #947).

No pseudonym for me, Mr. S. I await your reply.

Do you have dual citizenship?

 

[alienentity]

I love this one from Tony as he badgers Mark Roberts:

'What is your background Mark? If you want to have credibility you need to tell us'

'By the way, I am only a citizen of the United States of America. Can you make that claim? It sounds like you can't and I wanted everyone to know that, for whatever it is worth in their evaluation of you and your potential motivations.'

'So you aren't denying your dual citizenship are you?'

'As for the number of dual citizens in high office or influential within the Bush administration on 911 there was I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Ari Fleischer, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Dov Zakheim, Richard Perle, Philip Zelikow. Michael Mukasey the current AG, is a dual citizen and was involved in handling 911 related disputes as a federal judge in New York. '

It seems that 'dual citizen' is codeword for 'Jew' in Tony's world. Based on what he's actually written.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I never called anyone a Jew on this forum or anywhere else for that matter.

Anyone who has an interest can look at the exchange between Mark Roberts and myself where Mark Roberts brought up the slur (jew) and I said I was asking if he owed his allegiance souly to the United States or whether or not he was a dual citizen.

So you claim you never called anyone a jew, then straight away admit to calling Gravy a jew... nice.

Here's a list of people you and your friends think were behind 9/11. You'll note that only the jews get the label of "dual citizen". But you already know why that is.

Not calling someone a jew means not calling them code words for jew and hiding behind semantics either.

Sword of Truth you sir are a liar

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I'm not the one making crap up and calling people "jew" when I get exposed.

It would be interesting to know who you actually are

Funny how your first instinct with anyone who disputes your claims and shows you to be a fraud is to demand their personal information (or call them a jew).

My name is AAron, if you must know. It means "Mountain of Strength" in hebrew.

Do you perhaps have a comment on his images and analysis?

I correctly predicted he wouldn't, didn't I?

 

[jhunter1163]

I correctly predicted he wouldn't, didn't I?

The MDC threads are over there.

@ TexasJack:

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Dual-citizen? I guess "zionist" was worn out as code?

 

[beachnut]

I never called anyone a Jew on this forum or anywhere else for that matter.

Anyone who has an interest can look at the exchange between Mark Roberts and myself where Mark Roberts brought up the slur (jew) and I said I was asking if he owed his allegiance souly to the United States or whether or not he was a dual citizen. I said it had nothing to do with being Jewish and that I was 1/16th Jewish myself.

Sword of Truth you sir are a liar

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Does this mean you don't have evidence yet for the real CD deal, and you can't support a thing Gage claims about 911?

Who carried out your fantasy conspiracy? I love how Gage offers zero theory but implies real dumb delusions. At least that is his official position, to let others do the making up of idiotic delusions. How do you support a nut like Gage; excuse me, if he does not believe his lies he is only a fraud and not as dumb as his claims make him appear. Are you a member of his cult of no theory delusions?

I love it, Gage says he does not know what happen but send me money, then I can spew lies and let you figure out what happen. Is that is new policy? How is the real CD deal going? Why do your office mates fail to support your insane ideas on 911? How many office mates have joined AE911T/DelusionalLies?

8 Years! Where are you and Gage hiding your evidence?

 

[pgimeno]

That is saying that NIST is incompetent.

That's saying that they made a mistake which was corrected in the final report, and quoting an admitted mistake to support a claim is cherry-picking. My point holds: the buckled structure provided negligible resistance as they say in their corrected report.

They had their computer model that showed the buckling which provided resistance as Dr. Sunder said.

If you are saying that the computer model proves that the structure provided resistance, you are trusting the computer model. If you say that the computer model was not to be trusted, you can't use it to prove that the structure provided resistance. You can't have it both ways. Pick one.

 

[alienentity]

If you are saying that the computer model proves that the structure provided resistance, you are trusting the computer model. If you say that the computer model was not to be trusted, you can't use it to prove that the structure provided resistance. You can't have it both ways. Pick one.

Stop trying to confuse him.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Here's Tony's list: 'Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Ari Fleischer, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Dov Zakheim, Richard Perle, Philip Zelikow. Michael Mukasey'

Any non-Jews on the list? Tony?

You know who is not on that list?

Dual citizens.

No one on that list holds legal citizenship in more than one country. On the list at "Who Did It", "dual citizen" is always used in scare-quotes, like they don't actually mean someone who is a citizen of two countries.

Tony knows that these people are not persons who hold legal citizenship in more than one country. He knows what's really being said.

Rather than try to expalin how the structural failures deep within the main body of WTC7 that caused the Penthouse collapse aren't part of WTC7, he instead wants to play a childish game wherein he runs around the playground calling the other kids a name that rhymes with "maggot" and when the teacher intervenes, he claims he never said "homosexual".

It's a sad and pathetic display of racism, bigotry, professional incompetence and dishonesty.