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CNN fires terrorist supporter.

Cicero said:
According to you, it is about Reagan, Bush 41, and Oliver North.
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Like I said, you are missing the point. Reagan, Bush, and North all worked with and supported terrorists. Do you (or anyone) find any of those men deserving of admiration?

If so, then it would be hypocritical to blame this reporter for saying she admired someone who worked with and supported terrorists, especially for something unrelated to terrorism.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
The USA was one of the biggest funders of the IRA! It wasn't government money but they sure as hell knew about it.
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That is a bald faced lie. The American government, which represents the USA, did nothing of the sort.

A small subset of Americans (many of Irish descent) sent money to the IRA. I've been in more than one bar where money was raised "for the band" in a different container than the tip jar. (Do you understand what I just said?)

There is a huge difference between what you claimed and what actually was going on.

DR
 
Upchurch said:
Like I said, you are missing the point. Reagan, Bush, and North all worked with and supported terrorists. Do you (or anyone) find any of those men deserving of admiration?

If so, then it would be hypocritical to blame this reporter for saying she admired someone who worked with and supported was one of the terrorists leaders, especially for something unrelated to terrorism.
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FTFY
Big difference.
 
Darth Rotor said:
That is a bald faced lie. The American government, which represents the USA, did nothing of the sort.

A small subset of Americans (many of Irish descent) sent money to the IRA. I've been in more than one bar where money was raised "for the band" in a different container than the tip jar. (Do you understand what I just said?)

There is a huge difference between what you claimed and what actually was going on.

DR
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I wonder, can you read?

In the post you quoted, it was specifically stated that it wasn't government money. Where you got "The US Government funded the IRA!" from is a mystery to me.
 
Cicero said:
According to you, it is about Reagan, Bush 41, and Oliver North. How could these libs comments on Castro be any more off-topic than the above? What do you mean unsourced? The quotes are identified.
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So your point is that both sides (liberals and conservatives) have elements to them that adore dictators and terrorist supporters? OK, I can agree with that. Some conservatives admire North and some liberals admire Castro.
 
Cicero said:
What do you mean unsourced? The quotes are identified.
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"I believe in the might and power of the Cuban Revolution. May my ashes be wrapped in Fidel Castro's beard when I die." - Cicero

The quote is identified, but not sourced--because I made it up. The source is me.

Where did your quotes come from? When/where were they said? In what context?

I was going to make fun of you for quoting Chevy Chase, who I'm sure liberals worship as a minor deity (right up there with Buck Henry). Then I googled the quote--lo and behold, the quotes have been printed around the right-wing blogosphere, but that information is never supplied.


Of course, it's all a red herring anyway, so I suppose it doesn't really matter.
 
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Cleon said:
Then I googled the quote--lo and behold, the quotes have been printed around the right-wing blogosphere, but that information is never supplied.
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Heh. I did the same thing with the "Cuba's Elvis" (which, depending on what stage in Elvis' life you are referring, I wouldn't necessarily consider a compliment). I found various right-wing sources with different versions of the quote. (for example, Cuba's own Elvis)

But as you said, it's a red herring and off topic.
 
Cleon said:
Where did your quotes come from? When/where were they said? In what context?

Of course, it's all a red herring anyway, so I suppose it doesn't really matter.
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Upchurch said:
Heh. I did the same thing with the "Cuba's Elvis" (which, depending on what stage in Elvis' life you are referring, I wouldn't necessarily consider a compliment). I found various right-wing sources with different versions of the quote.
But as you said, it's a red herring and off topic.
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Perhaps these libs who are supposedly "misquoted," or "taken out of context," in "Fidel: Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant, should sue author Humberto Fontova."
 
Cicero said:
Perhaps these libs who are supposedly "misquoted," or "taken out of context," in "Fidel: Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant, should sue author Humberto Fontova."
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Or perhaps you should actually take responsibility for your own posts.
 
Cicero said:
I guess that means that those conservatives who did not consider him a "real American hero" were actually informed about LT. Colonel Oliver North.
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Um, they admired North for exactly what he did in the Iran-Contra scandal. According to them, he did what was right down in Central America and ignored Congress overreaching their authority with the illegal Boland amendment.

Heck, feel free to go to Hannity.com and ask in their forums what the opinion is. I would be willing to bet you a steak dinner that the majority of self-described conservatives would see North favorably and they are well informed about the details to North's deeds.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
I wonder, can you read?

In the post you quoted, it was specifically stated that it wasn't government money. Where you got "The US Government funded the IRA!" from is a mystery to me.
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From your words.

You said "THE USA" did something, which implies collective agency.

I regret to report to you that collectively, only the US government, or a vast majority of the people if the government are out to lunch, can be considered to act as agent for "The USA."

Neither of those categories fits who actually supported the IRA from US soil. Indeed, most Americans didn't give a flying rat's behind about that squabble twixt the Orangemen, the Brits, and the devotees of the Green. FWIW, most of the Orangemen and their descendents here were not pro IRA.

In short, you chose to be sloppy, and very wrong, so I tweaked your nose.

No big deal, other than you opening your comment with being dead wrong, and maybe me calling that "a lie" rather than "wrong" which I ought not to do. Dr A used to do that too often, and it irked me when he did it to anybody.

DR
 
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Upchurch said:
I'll admit to not knowing much about the man, but everything I've read referred to him as a spiritual advisor. That's not quite the same as being their leader.
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Kind of like how the Roman Catholic church gave all that spiritual advice during the Crusades, but didn't really bear any of the responsibility for what happened, right?

But of course, the Crusades are a poster child for the excesses of theism, but today's jihad is not at all spiritual, after all.

Ooh! And let's not forget the Inquisition! Plenty of non-culpable spiritual advisors there, am I right?
 
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theprestige said:
Kind of like how the Roman Catholic church gave all that spiritual advice during the Crusades, but didn't really bear any of the responsibility for what happened, right?

But of course, the Crusades are a poster child for the excesses of theism, but today's jihad is not at all spiritual, after all.

Ooh! And let's not forget the Inquisition! Plenty of non-culpable spiritual advisors there, am I right?
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Is that more or less supportive than the guys who provide weapons, funding, and/or training (depending on who you consider terrorists and who you consider freedom fighters).
 
Upchurch said:
Is that more or less supportive than the guys who provide weapons, funding, and/or training (depending on who you consider terrorists and who you consider freedom fighters).
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More supportive, obviously. A fanatic who truly believes will get all the other stuff, or make do without it. The spiritual (emotional, psychological, delusional, etc.) component is the one that really matters. Without it, you're just an apathetic layabout with a gun rack.

The mind boggles at the intellectual perversity of some self-styled "skeptics", who delight in proclaiming that religion is the scourge of civilization, right up to the moment when they are confronted with exactly that.

What, exactly, do you think "spiritual advisors" in a terrorist movement do? Encourage their fellow terrorists to question the moral purity of their cause and the ethical justification for their violence?
 
theprestige said:
More supportive, obviously. A fanatic who truly believes will get all the other stuff, or make do without it. The spiritual (emotional, psychological, delusional, etc.) component is the one that really matters. Without it, you're just an apathetic layabout with a gun rack.
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Except that during the crusades, the pope went to war and killed people, and during the inquisition it was specifically the church who were burning and torturing people.

I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but you picked terrible examples.
 
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