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Ziggurat said:
We don't. They very well could have. Precisely this possibility is why classified material isn't supposed to leave the classified network. And we know that Hillary violated this rule.
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Her problems in this are pretty big, but the people who were sending this are going to be in a world of hurt. I have a hard time understanding how this even happens. Classified emails that originated from other agencies would be clearly marked as containing classified information, and then every single sentence in the entire document would be identified as classified/unclassified/FOUO, etc. A powerpoint presentation with classified data will also identify every single sentences classification.

I can understand a person slipping up once a year or so, but this stuff is so clearly labeled that it's difficult to imagine this problem happening regularly.
 
Mike! said:
Can't find a link to verify this, but the latest news on the radio was, out of 1500 emails checked to date, 306 contained classified information of some kind.
If this is so, that's one out of five emails with classified information therein, not a promising ratio for the Clinton spin machine to put a positive swirl to, by any means.
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On the positive side, 4 out of 5 emails on Clinton's server didn't compromise national security.
 
jhunter1163 said:
How can you hack something that you don't know exists?
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That reasoning suggests that it would be OK for the government to allow nuclear weapons designers to store classified design documents at home, so long as the content is not publicly known. You can't steal what you don't know exists! Inane.
 
jhunter1163 said:
How can you hack something that you don't know exists?
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How do you know the Chinese and Russians didn't know it existed?

Obviously, you don't know that. Furthermore, even if they didn't know AND we could conclusively prove that they never knew, there is no possible way that Hillary could have known beforehand that they wouldn't find out. So that doesn't excuse her decision to use an insecure email system for handling classified information.

You're really grasping for straws here.
 
16.5 said:
well it was cleverly disguised by using the obscure domain "clintonemail.com."
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Well, how would a foreign agent find out about that email? She'd have to be using it for personal things, like with a charity that interacts with foreigners or something...
 
Ziggurat said:
How do you know the Chinese and Russians didn't know it existed?

Obviously, you don't know that. Furthermore, even if they didn't know AND we could conclusively prove that they never knew, there is no possible way that Hillary could have known beforehand that they wouldn't find out. So that doesn't excuse her decision to use an insecure email system for handling classified information.

You're really grasping for straws here.
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Speaking of really grasping for straws. It takes a lot of balls to imply that the server could easily have been hacked, or that a bunch of people knew it existed when 7 previous committees didn't know it was there. Kind of weird, that.
 
plague311 said:
Speaking of really grasping for straws. It takes a lot of balls to imply that the server could easily have been hacked, or that a bunch of people knew it existed when 7 previous committees didn't know it was there. Kind of weird, that.
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Bwahahahaha! You think Russian and Chinese intelligence agencies have the same limitations as congressional committees? That's simply adorable.

ETA: and I'm not really sure you should be trying to emphasize the efforts Hillary went to in order to hide her email from Congress. Unless that was really your point all along, in which case, well played.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Of course there's no evidence her server was hacked, because nobody has checked whether her server was hacked. And how much security do you actually expect on a system set up literally in a bathroom closet?
Plus, of course, the hack was only into the unclassified network. The classified network was not penetrated. But there were classified emails on Hillary's system.
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Do you have a source for the hilited ?

Also, the classified email started, apparently by being unmarked on state dept unclassified email.
 
Ziggurat said:
We don't. They very well could have. Precisely this possibility is why classified material isn't supposed to leave the classified network. And we know that Hillary violated this rule.
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Perhaps technically. Again, if you are passively being sent an unmarked email that:
a) should be marked
b) should not have left the classified network

It's hardly you violating this rule.

I do, however, agree with Beeyon and anyone else has pointed out there is an obligation to treat classified information properly, that HRC may not have followed.
 
16.5 said:
Remember when Hillary said that her cowboy homebrew server was at her place protected by the Secret Service?

Yeah, she lied. Again.

The server the FBI picked up was stored not at the Clinton's Chappaqua, N.Y. home, as many assumed, but at a data center in New Jersey.

Wow, she and her crew are scumbags.
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Ziggurat said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...estions-security-sensitive-messages-held.html
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So, her server was simultaneously:
a) in Chappaqua, N.Y
b) in a data center in New Jersey
c) loft apartment with its servers in the BATHROOM in Denver

That's no home-brew server, that't a traveling-man server....:rolleyes:
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Perhaps technically. Again, if you are passively being sent an unmarked email that:
a) should be marked
b) should not have left the classified network

It's hardly you violating this rule.
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Hillary used this private server exclusively for her email. This wasn't a secondary account, it was her only email. She apparently got lots of classified material on that server, not just one or two messages. I cannot believe that this was all just due to the behavior of her underlings, that they did all of this without her knowledge and consent.

Hell, even the post-scandal handling of this stuff shows a casual disregard for security by everyone involved on the Hillary side. A fish rots from the head.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
So, her server was simultaneously:
a) in Chappaqua, N.Y
b) in a data center in New Jersey
c) loft apartment with its servers in the BATHROOM in Denver

That's no home-brew server, that't a traveling-man server....:rolleyes:
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If you had read the link, you wouldn't have posted this.

TIMELINE: THE CLINTON EMAIL SAGA
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2008 – Hillary Clinton acquires a personal email server for her use in running for president, and has it installed in her Chappaqua, New York home
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June 2013 – Hillary's team shifts control of the email domain to an outside IT contractor in Denver called Platte River Networks, and sends the original server hardware to a data center facility in New Jersey, where it is erased
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Ziggurat said:
Hillary used this private server exclusively for her email. This wasn't a secondary account, it was her only email. She apparently got lots of classified material on that server, not just one or two messages. I cannot believe that this was all just due to the behavior of her underlings, that they did all of this without her knowledge and consent.
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That doesn't really address my point, and it's also an argument from incredulity.

Whether she got lots of classified emails, or whether she got lots of emails that had classified material, or whether she got lots of emails that had material that someone is now deciding should have been classifeid is still all rather up in the air.

Ziggurat said:
Hell, even the post-scandal handling of this stuff shows a casual disregard for security by everyone involved on the Hillary side. A fish rots from the head.
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The post-scandal handling of this was claiming there was no classified data and turning over a copy of it to her attorney. I don't think that casual disregard for security is a valid descriptor of events. YMMV.
 
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