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Fortunately for her, perhaps, partisans are attempting to work Clinton's email shenanigans into some sort of weird narrative of much greater significance thus turning what would be legitimate criticism of her actions into some sort of partisan nutjob set piece that will be ignored by everybody that isn't part of the partisan anti-Clinton true believer crowd.


What is this legitimate criticism you are referring too?
 
<snip partisan flacking>

What's unfortunate with regard to the pursuit of truth here is that Clinton's actions with regard to her email server were on the sleazy side and certainly demonstrated some bad judgment on her part.

This wasn't bad judgment on her part. This was a carefully considered and calculated judgment. In fact, it was probably the correct judgment, politically. No doubt she expected to have communications that would be highly damaging if they were to be made public. And she also judged that the political damage from acting contrary to record-keeping law, as well as flouting FOIA requests and subpoenas, could be contained, and that this therefore was a better option than transparency. No doubt she included in her calculations that partisan flacks would defend her by claiming that maintaining a private email server was merely poor judgment on her part, and not anything nefarious.
 
This wasn't bad judgment on her part. This was a carefully considered and calculated judgment. In fact, it was probably the correct judgment, politically. No doubt she expected to have communications that would be highly damaging if they were to be made public. And she also judged that the political damage from acting contrary to record-keeping law, as well as flouting FOIA requests and subpoenas, could be contained, and that this therefore was a better option than transparency. No doubt she included in her calculations that partisan flacks would defend her by claiming that maintaining a private email server was merely poor judgment on her part, and not anything nefarious.

Presuming she intended to use her email for not just her departmental business but for her recognized coming campaign for the presidency, and for chatting with friends, the assumption that she expected this to be "highly embarrassing" is less credible than that she felt these were "none of our damned business".

So far, the ice-cold gun has found some communications on two potential hirings and that she took advice from one of these people and passed it along, not as "Here are my thoughts on Libya" but as "Here's something received about Libya, discuss."

I know dozens of people - I was one for twenty years - who use one email, the one they have at work. Now that everyone's got FB to keep up socially, I've seen that diminished greatly, but it's been very common. If my business emails were subpoenaed, I'd want to delete all the chit chat, the commiserations with the friend whose boyfriend dumped her, etc... We don't know what was in those emails, but let's assume they were all correspondence with retired KGB agents and pats on the back to the Islamic Brotherhood. It just sounds so much more nefarious that way.

The partisan flacks are the ones saying how shocked they are, shocked I say, that there's gambling going on at Rick's.
 
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The e-mails were deleted in the fall of 2014. The subpoena was not issued until March of 2015. Clinton may have chosen her words poorly in saying that she "never had a subpoena", but the fact is that the e-mails were not under subpoena when she deleted them.

ETA: Timeline here:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clinton-and-house-republicans-battle-over-/

Although the subpoena had not yet been served at the time she deleted emails, she was actually facing a subpoena for all intents and purposes. Once she had notice that her documents were being sought by a controlling authority, she had an obligation to preserve them, and certainly not to go out of her way to destroy them. That is spoliation of evidence, regardless of whether a subpoena had issued. See here (my emphasis added):

Spoliation has been defined as the willful destruction of evidence or the failure to preserve potential evidence for another's use in pending or future litigation. Trigon Ins. Co. v. U.S., 204 F.R.D. 277 (E.D.Va., 2001). Two recent SJC decisions, Fletcher v. Dorchester Mutual Insurance Company, 437 Mass. 544 (2002), and Keene v. Brigham and Women’s Hospital, 439 Mass. 223 (2003), flesh out what is required of parties to civil litigation as to document retention. Both cases emphasize that sanctions (in extreme cases, up to and including default or dismissal) may be appropriate for the spoliation of evidence, whether negligent or intentional, even where the loss of potential evidence occurs before an action has been commenced, if a litigant or its expert knows or reasonably should know that the evidence might be relevant to a possible action.

Beyond civil sanctions, lawyers and clients should also take note of applicable criminal statutes. The federal crime of obstruction of justice is defined by 18 U.S.C. § 1503 to include conduct that, among other things, corruptly endeavors to obstruct or impede the due administration of justice. To sustain its burden of proof, the government must prove that there was pending judicial proceeding, that the defendant knew this proceeding was pending, and that the defendant then corruptly endeavored to influence, obstruct, or impede the due administration of justice.

In applying the obstruction of justice statute to issues of destruction of documents, federal courts generally have not required that a subpoena have issued. Rather, it is sufficient for an obstruction conviction that the defendant knew that a grand jury was investigating possible violations of federal law and intentionally caused destruction of the incriminating document. U.S. v. Fineman, 434 F. Supp 197 (E.D.Pa 1977). And in at least one case where corporate officials allegedly destroyed documents sought during discovery in a class action employment discrimination case, a federal district court denied a motion to dismiss indictments, holding that the officials could be prosecuted criminally under the obstruction of justice statute for the spoliation in the civil suit. U.S. v. Lundwall, 1 F.Supp.2d 249 (S.D.N.Y.,1998).

In addition, the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 has expanded the federal law of obstruction by adding new sections to 18 U.S.C. § 1512 and enacting a new statute, 18 U.S.C. § 1519, creating additional crimes relating to alteration, destruction, mutilation or concealment of records, documents, or objects. Section 1512(c) requires acting corruptly with intent to impair the item’s integrity or availability for use in “official proceedings,” defined by 18 U.S.C. 1515 to include proceedings before federal courts, agencies, Congress, and regulatory proceedings involving the insurance business. This statute is particularly striking in providing, in subsection (f), that an official proceeding need not be pending or about to be instituted at the time of the offense and that the document need not be admissible in evidence or free of a claim of privilege. Section 1519 relates to any matter within the jurisdiction of a federal department or agency or any case filed under title 11 (bankruptcy) and requires intent to impede, obstruct or influence the investigation or administration of such a matter or case. It also includes actions taken “in relation to or contemplation of” a matter or case.
 
Just for the record, I'll point out that Hillary repeated the lie that previous Secretaries of State had done what she had done. In fact, only one - Colin Powell - had used private email for business-related purposes. Condi Rice used only her government email account, and Madeline Albright did not use email at all (nor did anybody before her). Through her grammar, Hillary obviously intended to deceive the public about how exceptional her behavior was.
 
Although the subpoena had not yet been served at the time she deleted emails, she was actually facing a subpoena for all intents and purposes. Once she had notice that her documents were being sought by a controlling authority, she had an obligation to preserve them, and certainly not to go out of her way to destroy them. That is spoliation of evidence, regardless of whether a subpoena had issued. See here (my emphasis added):

except the legal ones.

Oh boy, is it time for spoliation again ?
 
Just for the record, I'll point out that Hillary repeated the lie that previous Secretaries of State had done what she had done. In fact, only one - Colin Powell - had used private email for business-related purposes. Condi Rice used only her government email account, and Madeline Albright did not use email at all (nor did anybody before her). Through her grammar, Hillary obviously intended to deceive the public about how exceptional her behavior was.

Everything I did was permitted. There was no law. There was no regulation. There was nothing that did not give me the full authority to decide how I was going to communicate. Previous secretaries of state have said they did the same thing.

Please explain where the "lie" is
 
The e-mails were deleted in the fall of 2014. The subpoena was not issued until March of 2015. Clinton may have chosen her words poorly in saying that she "never had a subpoena", but the fact is that the e-mails were not under subpoena when she deleted them.

ETA: Timeline here:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clinton-and-house-republicans-battle-over-/

False.

Let's not celebrate the fact she destroyed documents folks.

Sneering contempt for governmental transparacy should be criticized, not celebrated.
 
False.

Let's not celebrate the fact she destroyed documents what she determined were her personal, non-work, emails, folks.

Sneering contempt for governmental transparacy for witch-hunting partisans using time they should be spending on actual legislative issues should be criticized, not celebrated.

There! Now we are in full accord. Well, except that I know how to spell transparency.
 
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There! Now we are in full accord. Well, except that I know how to spell transparency.

I am going to address this against my better judgment.

The claim is that Hillary destroyed only "personal" documents was proven false two weeks ago when Blumenthal produced emails and the state department admitted that Hillary had not turned her copies over to it.

Hillary determined they were private? what a *********** joke.
 
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What is this legitimate criticism you are referring too?

1. Using a private email server for your work emails was questionable when archiving emails and security are major issues.
2. The explanation that she did it so that she didn't need to carry two devices is lame.
3. The country had already gone through a missing email scandal when the Democrats were beating up the Republicans for a bunch of missing emails. It was silly to expose herself to criticism on this issue and it suggests a lack of good decision making skills IMHO that she went down this path.
4. The private email account suggests that Clinton may have been trying to unethically avoid scrutiny.
5. There is an element of elitism about this when the rank and file people in her department would not have been allowed to use their own private email servers for their job related communications.
 
I am going to address this against my better judgment.

The claim is that Hillary destroyed only "personal" documents was proven false two weeks ago when Blumenthal produced emails and the state department admitted that Hillary had not turned her copies over to it.

Hillary determined they were private? what a *********** joke.

Joke or not, that's how it works. She get's to determine it.
Feel free to provide evidence if you believe that's not correct.
 
1. Using a private email server for your work emails was questionable when archiving emails and security are major issues.
2. The explanation that she did it so that she didn't need to carry two devices is lame.
3. The country had already gone through a missing email scandal when the Democrats were beating up the Republicans for a bunch of missing emails. It was silly to expose herself to criticism on this issue and it suggests a lack of good decision making skills IMHO that she went down this path.
4. The private email account suggests that Clinton may have been trying to unethically avoid scrutiny.
5. There is an element of elitism about this when the rank and file people in her department would not have been allowed to use their own private email servers for their job related communications.

Number 5 is wrong, up to a point employees could and did use personal email.
 
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