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[The Big Dog]

I hope Republicans keep talking about this for as long as they can. I will find their extreme desperation very entertaining.

16.5, just wondering if you still think that she is toast and that you would be surprised if she even ran?

again, i am not a sociopathic megalomaniac like Hillary, so while I think she would be insane to run, because she is probably insane, she will.

Uh oh, gonna get cherry picked for saying "probably" and "could."

LOLZ!

 

[plague311]

Jeepers! Where ever did I get that idea! You just posted those ridiculous fallacies a couple of hours ago, and you would have gotten away with it but for my crafty short term memory.

Sorry I don't follow when you don't quote the post you're referring to, and leave out a portion of my statement. Maybe you have the time to do it, but I don't memorize everything I post to prepare for some off-the-cuff, hours later referral. I'll work on it though.

Although, I picked those groups because Republicans specifically pick on them. I don't force them to do it, it's a choice they make all on their own. No fallacy involved, it's factual. The US politics section is full of threads where Republicans say hateful **** about minorities, homosexuals and the poor.

You think a "private email account" is the same as admin access to a private server?

That is freaking adorable.

What's adorable is that while you're complaining about this "admin access to a private server" and how they aren't comparable, you ignore the fact that one of them actually turned over emails. The other one has nothing, absolutely nothing, and that was during the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Explain to me the double standard, speaking of fallacies.

Powell has nothing, you realize that don't you? He didn't print them, didn't archive them, didn't do a damn thing. In fact, pretty much stated the same thing that Hillary said.

“A lot of the emails that came out of my personal account went into the State Department system. They were addressed to State Department employees and state.gov domain, but I don’t know if the servers in the State Department captured those or not. “

"It was my practice to communicate with State Department and other government officials on their '.gov' accounts, so those emails would be automatically saved in the State Department system to meet record-keeping requirements, and that, indeed, is what happened."

Powell didn't know, and didn't seem to really care, as he wasn't really sure. Clinton was under the impression that they were saved through the State Departments system. How many FOIA requests do you think have been submitted in regards to 9/11? Maybe a couple thousand? Maybe 10,000+? Do you think his emails would have been relevant? That's the point. You can scream "Tu Quoque" all you want but they are completely and entirely comparable.

Two horrible events. One involved the deaths of almost 3,000 and the SoS at the time turned over absolutely nothing in regards to his email communications. One involved the deaths of 4 and the SoS at the time turned over 55,000 albeit under dubious circumstances.

Carry on my good man, carry on.

 

[Tony Stark]

again, i am not a sociopathic megalomaniac like Hillary, so while I think she would be insane to run, because she is probably insane, she will.

Uh oh, gonna get cherry picked for saying "probably" and "could."

LOLZ!

I hope you believe every word of this post. It makes it much funnier to me that way.

For the record, few people care about this now. A year from now, desperate Republicans will be the only ones who give it any thought. Given her name recognition, her connections, her experience, her huge lead in the polls, she is probably the biggest lock to win the nomination that any non incumbent has been perhaps ever.

The thought that she should step aside and not run because of this whole thing has probably not even crossed her mind. Why would it? She wants to be President and Democrats are definitely not going to abandon her over this non-scandal.

 

[plague311]

again, i am not a sociopathic megalomaniac like Hillary, so while I think she would be insane to run, because she is probably insane, she will.

Uh oh, gonna get cherry picked for saying "probably" and "could."

LOLZ!

LOLZ Jeepers you actually didn't say "could"....

ETA: Also, you're quoting "experts", and trying to play off their "could", "maybe", "it's possible" as "this absolutely happened." I don't care if you use it all you want. Just don't try to use experts stating possibilities as evidence that those things did happen.

 

[The Big Dog]

What's adorable is that while you're complaining about this "admin access to a private server" and how they aren't comparable, you ignore the fact that one of them actually turned over emails. The other one has nothing, absolutely nothing, and that was during the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Explain to me the double standard, speaking of fallacies.
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That is fascinating. You are literally making up things as you go along. Here is why tu quoque fallacies are such terrible arguments. Now we are talking about Colin Powell, ok.

1. Colin Powell didn't use a private email server exclusively. That means that his official emails were indeed saved. You didn't know that?
2. the 911 Commission asked for and received email documents from the state department while Colin Powell was still SoS. Contrast that with Hillary. protip: she does not come out well in that comparison.
3. Colin Powell was TEN YEARS OUT OF OFFICE when he was asked for emails in 2014.
4. Colin Powell voted for Obama.
5. Colin Powell can have the jail cell next to Hillary. Great points!

 

[The Big Dog]

I hope you believe every word of this post. It makes it much funnier to me that way.

For the record, few people care about this now. A year from now, desperate Republicans will be the only ones who give it any thought. Given her name recognition, her connections, her experience, her huge lead in the polls, she is probably the biggest lock to win the nomination that any non incumbent has been perhaps ever.

The thought that she should step aside and not run because of this whole thing has probably not even crossed her mind. Why would it? She wants to be President and Democrats are definitely not going to abandon her over this non-scandal.

It never crossed her mind? Missed the awkward "press conference" did ya?

But, I do enjoy the whole "it will be forgotten in a year," tho. That was what they said about another scandal that led to the discovery of Sheriff Hillary and the Wild West Server she keeps secreted about her and Bill's manse.

Hillary WANTS to be President? No kidding!

 

[Tony Stark]

LOL she's going to prison over this now? After decades of trying to prove that the Clintons are criminals, she's finally slipped and Republicans will be able to nail her? LOL

 

[plague311]

1. Colin Powell didn't use a private email server exclusively. That means that his official emails were indeed saved. You didn't know that?

No, I didn't know his emails were all saved, actually and he makes no mention of using a .gov or any state email account at all. Can you provide a source for that? How were they saved when he said he had no emails to turn over? Who were they saved by? Looking at his quote, he definitely doesn't imply it by any means. He said:

“I don’t have any to turn over. I did not keep a cache of them. I did not print them off. I do not have thousands of pages somewhere in my personal files,”

Private server or not, it makes absolutely no difference. If there are no emails, there are no emails, no matter who was running the email service\servers.

2. the 911 Commission asked for and received email documents from the state department while Colin Powell was still SoS. Contrast that with Hillary. protip: she does not come out well in that comparison.

I noticed you didn't say that they received email documents from Colin Powell himself (Sent or Received), just that they received some from the State Department. Did the multiple Benghazi investigations NOT receive emails from the State Department at all? Ever? If you've provided evidence they have never received any emails from when Hillary was in office in regards to Benghazi, just link me to the post. I haven't seen that in this thread though. From my understanding only the emails in regards to her account weren't received, but the State Department has turned over documentation before. If I'm wrong I will absolutely apologize, I've done it before. In this thread even.

3. Colin Powell was TEN YEARS OUT OF OFFICE when he was asked for emails in 2014.

I'm sorry, is there an expiration date on emails and email accounts? I've had my hotmail email account since the early 2000s. In fact, I still have my "welcome" email from the day I started it. It still appears crisp. Not sure why this is relevant. Were no FOIA requests submitted previous to 2014 in regards to 9/11 and the communications? Was he not asked for communication records during the 9/11 commission report? Why not? Doesn't this contrast what you just said previously? If you don't delete the emails they don't go anywhere. They just sit there.

4. Colin Powell voted for Obama.

A lot of people did, I think. Relevance?

5. Colin Powell can have the jail cell next to Hillary. Great points!

Thanks! Glad we're on the same side then. As long as there is no double standard. I just haven't seen you start any threads, in the 9/11 CT forum or otherwise, in regards to this massive injustice. You are heated about this Hillary debacle, I just wanted to make sure you weren't playing partisan. That's all.

 

[Tony Stark]

It never crossed her mind? Missed the awkward "press conference" did ya?

She seemed annoyed. So what.

But, I do enjoy the whole "it will be forgotten in a year," tho. That was what they said about another scandal that led to the discovery of Sheriff Hillary and the Wild West Server she keeps secreted about her and Bill's manse.

I hate to break it to you, but nobody cares about Benghazi. Except Republicans of course, they are desperate to pin something on Hillary. What it is doesn't matter, they will use anything they think they can. The desperation is pathetic and just shows how scared of her they are.

 

[The Big Dog]

She seemed annoyed. So what.



I hate to break it to you, but nobody cares about Benghazi. Except Republicans of course, they are desperate to pin something on Hillary. What it is doesn't matter, they will use anything they think they can. The desperation is pathetic and just shows how scared of her they are.

Ok. Shall I take you as representative of all Democrats?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I hope Republicans keep talking about this for as long as they can. I will find their extreme desperation very entertaining.

16.5, just wondering if you still think that she is toast and that you would be surprised if she even ran?

I don't know if it'll affect herr chances of winning, if she participates in a national election. however, I would be careful about wishing for pursuit of it because while partisans might not get convinced by such things with their choice candidates, it may be enough to sway independent voters. that's how basic political strategy works. The choice comes down to the promises they make and the disclaimers you choose run with knowung the candidates

 

[plague311]

I don't know if it'll affect herr chances of winning, if she participates in a national election. however, I would be careful about wishing for pursuit of it because while partisans might not get convinced by such things with their choice candidates, it may be enough to sway independent voters. that's how basic political strategy works. The choice comes down to the promises they make and the disclaimers you choose run with knowung the candidates

Which is what this whole thing is actually all about. Running Hillary through the mud, especially this election cycle, because R's know it's going to be much more complicated than 2012.

 

[Tony Stark]

Which is what this whole thing is actually all about. Running Hillary through the mud, especially this election cycle, because R's know it's going to be much more complicated than 2012.

They've already spent millions of dollars in Benghazi investigations whose main purpose was to find evidence of wrong doing on her part. Apparently this email thing is all they have so they are going with it. They will no doubt keep digging desperate to to find anything.

 

[DavidJames]

They've already spent millions of dollars in Benghazi investigations whose main purpose was to find evidence of wrong doing on her part. Apparently this email thing is all they have so they are going with it. They will no doubt keep digging desperate to to find anything.

Yup, Benghazi and the email thing will be front and center up until the election. Republicans can't win the presidency on ideas. Their only hope is dragging down HC.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Which is what this whole thing is actually all about. Running Hillary through the mud, especially this election cycle, because R's know it's going to be much more complicated than 2012.

I agree there's a point where the argument can be taken too far and that what she did may not be illegal but i fail to see how this matter is not legitimately questionable or worth factoring if she makes promises of transparency or similar during an election. You seem to forget as well she was practically run into the ground during the 2008 race, by none pther than candidates from her own party.


Ive brought up a few times issues of policy, yet nearly every response in this thread has thus far either focused on claiming the criminality of her actions, or an absolute defense of her actions, instead of whether or not its an issue of policy that needs reform. Color me shocked...

Id be lying if i said i didnt have some bias, but trying to needle some essence of common sense and a middle ground seems impossible

 

[The Big Dog]

They've already spent millions of dollars in Benghazi investigations whose main purpose was to find evidence of wrong doing on her part. Apparently this email thing is all they have so they are going with it. They will no doubt keep digging desperate to to find anything.

It is almost as if the Republicans set up Hillary to use a cowboy server, withhold documents and then destroy a bunch more while refusing to allow server access to an impartial arbitrator.

Poor Hillary, she is READY to be President, how dare we question her!

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I agree there's a point where the argument can be taken too far and that what she did may not be illegal but i fail to see how this matter is not legitimately questionable or worth factoring if she makes promises of transparency or similar during an election. You seem to forget as well she was practically run into the ground during the 2008 race, by none pther than candidates from her own party.


Ive brought up a few times issues of policy, yet nearly every response in this thread has thus far either focused on claiming the criminality of her actions, or an absolute defense of her actions, instead of whether or not its an issue of policy that needs reform. Color me shocked...

Id be lying if i said i didnt have some bias, but trying to needle some essence of common sense and a middle ground seems impossible

From my reading of the thread, I think most posters have agreed that it's an issue that needs to be fixed.

My position from the beginning of the thread has been that she looks to have followed the letter but not the spirit of the law (post 37).

Govt policy on technology is dramatically behind where technology actually is today. I don't see that changing anytime soon. And being behind in technology and budget etc probably hampers many people from doing their job effectively, and I imagine that many policies are ignored due to expedience, not malice or intent to deceive.

 

[The Big Dog]

The National Archives and Records Administration has asked the State Department to explain how Hillary Rodham Clinton’s emails were managed when she was secretary, and to say what was being done to retrieve any federal records that may have been lost because she communicated over a private email server.

“NARA is concerned that federal records may have been alienated from the Department of State’s official record-keeping systems,” the agency’s chief records officer, Paul M. Wester Jr., wrote.

Sounds like Mr. Wester did not get the memo that Hillary is ready, and that this is all the REPUBLICANS fault.

 

[plague311]

The National Archives and Records Administration has asked the State Department to explain how Hillary Rodham Clinton’s emails were managed when she was secretary, and to say what was being done to retrieve any federal records that may have been lost because she communicated over a private email server.

“NARA is concerned that federal records may have been alienated from the Department of State’s official record-keeping systems,” the agency’s chief records officer, Paul M. Wester Jr., wrote.

Sounds like Mr. Wester did not get the memo that Hillary is ready, and that this is all the REPUBLICANS fault.

While complaining about strawmanning arguments you certainly have built a nice one here. Watch out so you don't hurt yourself beating that thing down.

ETA: Sounds like the State Department is going to respond to the request. I don't know how this is considered to be a shot against Hillary. Are you now complaining that her department and those involved are cooperating with the investigation? Does that somehow bother you?

Jen Psaki, a spokeswoman for the State Department, said at a briefing with reporters on Wednesday that the department had received the letter and she expected it would respond to it.

Outside of your strawman, it appears the investigation is proceeding as per usual.

 

[The Big Dog]

While complaining about strawmanning arguments you certainly have built a nice one here. Watch out so you don't hurt yourself beating that thing down.

Straw men? maybe you should read your colleagues' posts in this thread.