Clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham Part 4

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It isn't just about McCabe [...]

We don't know that. We don't know what role the grand jury has played in this. All we know is that one has been involved in some way at some point.

[...]and because the doj IG just testified about it yesterday....

But we already knew McCabe had been referred to prosecutors, and this doesn't seem to add any information to that as far as I can tell. What in this story is actually new information?

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We don't know that. We don't know what role the grand jury has played in this. All we know is that one has been involved in some way at some point.



But we already knew McCabe had been referred to prosecutors, and this doesn't seem to add any information to that as far as I can tell. What in this story is actually new information?

The admission that there was a grand jury.

Rubs temples....
 
The admission that there was a grand jury.

Rubs temples....

So?
Executive Summary
A Review of Various Actions by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice in Advance of the 2016 Election
• Decisions to enter into “letter use” or “Queen for a Day” immunity agreements with three witnesses;
• The use of consent agreements and “act of production” immunity to obtain the laptops used by Clinton’s attorneys (Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson) to “cull” her personal and work-related emails; and
• The handling of Clinton’s interview on July 2, 2016. With regard to these investigative decisions, we found, as detailed in Chapter Five, that the Midyear team:
• Sought to obtain evidence whenever possible through consent but also used compulsory process, including grand jury subpoenas, search warrants, and 2703(d) orders (court orders for non-content email information) to obtain various evidence. We found that the prosecutors provided justifications for the preference for consent that were supported by Department and FBI policy and practice;
• Conducted voluntary witness interviews to obtain testimony, including from Clinton and her senior aides, and did not require any witnesses to testify before the grand jury. We found that one of the reasons for not using the grand jury for testimony involved concerns about exposing grand jurors to classified information.
 
And the fact they had used a grand jury (And not fully, by the way), as spelled out in the report, is significant to you, at this time, for what reason?

What does "not fully" mean here?
 
And the fact they had used a grand jury (And not fully, by the way), as spelled out in the report, is significant to you, at this time, for what reason?

It says that they did not use the grand jury... there was no grand jury for the Clinton investigation in 2016.....just a bit baffled how it was possible to get something so spectacularly wrong.
 
It says that they did not use the grand jury... there was no grand jury for the Clinton investigation in 2016.....just a bit baffled how it was possible to get something so spectacularly wrong.

It says they used grand jury subpoenas, and did not require any witnesses to testify before the grand jury. Therefore

  1. It says they used a grand jury
  2. They did not fully use the grand jury
 
The admission that there was a grand jury.

Rubs temples....

Yes, but when you were asked what the significance of that was, you said that the significance was that there was "a view toward issuing criminal indictments" - which is something we already knew. Is there any significance beyond that, or is it really just a reiteration of information that we already knew?
 
Real good summary of yesterday's testimony

Some highlights:

* Meadows outed two of the unidentified anti-Trump, pro-Hillary FBI investigators referred for punishment by Horowitz. Both work for the general counsel of FBI, not in counterintelligence as the FBI claimed – as an excuse to w/hold their names. They are Sally Moyer and Kevin Clinesmith.
*Meadows noted that both FBI attorneys work/worked for Trisha Anderson, then Office of Legal Counsel, FBI – not Counterintelligence.
* Following the IG’s testimony it was reported that FBI Agent "we'll stop him" Strzok was escorted out of the FBI Building on Friday.
https://themarketswork.com/2018/06/...-day-two-of-the-inspector-generals-testimony/
 
Judicial Watch announced today that in his opening remarks at a Friday, October 12 hearing, U.S. District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth strongly criticized the U.S. Department of State, stating, “The information that I was provided was clearly false regarding the adequacy of the [Clinton email] search and… what we now know turned out to be the Secretary’s email system.”

Turning his attention to the Department of Justice, Judge Lamberth said that he was “dumbfounded” by the agency’s Inspector General report revealing that Cheryl Mills had been given immunity and was allowed to accompany former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to her FBI interview:

I had myself found that Cheryl Mills had committed perjury and lied under oath in a published opinion I had issued in a Judicial Watch case where I found her unworthy of belief, and I was quite shocked to find out she had been given immunity in — by the Justice Department in the Hillary Clinton email case. So I did not know that until I read the IG report and learned that and that she had accompanied the Secretary to her interview.

(In an April 28, 2008, ruling relating to Mills’ conduct as a White House official in responding to concerns about lost White House email records, Judge Lamberth called Mills’ participation in the matter “loathsome.” He further stated Mills was responsible for “the most critical error made in this entire fiasco … Mills’ actions were totally inadequate to address the problem.”)

really appalling

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press...-aide-granted-immunity-by-justice-department/
 
Judge Excoriates State and DoJ for handling of Clinton Email Scandal

Calling the conduct “one of the gravest modern offenses to government transparency” a federal judge has raised speculation that Hillary Rodham Clinton and her State Department “colluded” to keep her missing emails secret from the public and courts, an escalation of scrutiny into Obama-era scandal.

Senior District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth said:

Terming Clinton’s use of her private email system, “one of the gravest modern offenses to government transparency,” Lamberth wrote in his MEMORANDUM OPINION:

… his [President Barack Obama’s] State and Justice Departments fell far short. So far short that the court questions, even now, whether they are acting in good faith. Did Hillary Clinton use her private email as Secretary of State to thwart this lofty goal [Obama announced standard for transparency]? Was the State Department’s attempt to settle this FOIA case in 2014 an effort to avoid searching – and disclosing the existence of – Clinton’s missing emails? And has State ever adequately searched for records in this case?

***

At best, State’s attempt to pass-off its deficient search as legally adequate during settlement negotiations was negligence born out of incompetence. At worst, career employees in the State and Justice Departments colluded to scuttle public scrutiny of Clinton, skirt FOIA, and hoodwink this Court.

Even today we are being lied to about the gross misconduct of Clinton, Obama and the cover up of the Benghazi Murders.

The Court granted discovery because the government’s response to the Judicial Watch Benghazi FOIA request for Clinton emails “smacks of outrageous conduct.”

Where is the Special Prosecutor we really need?
 
In a ruling which excoriated both the State Dept & the DOJ, U.S. District Court Judge Lamberth ordered both to join Judicial Watch in submitting a discovery plan into whether Hillary Clinton tried to evade FOIA by using a private email system.

Avid readers of this thread know that the answer is:

Hell yeah she set up that homebrew cowboy server for the sole purpose of evading FOIA
 
Why, was that the reason Trump set up his server, the one all of his family use for their emails?
 
Why, was that the reason Trump set up his server, the one all of his family use for their emails?

No, the President is not subject to FOIA.

Hillary was, which is why she set up her own sleazy private server, which is what the thread is about, and why The Judge entered the order I just linked to.

Ooohhh, ouch! That has gotta hurt! But thanks for bumping the link while getting everything wrong.

Fantastic
 
No, the President is not subject to FOIA.

Hillary was, which is why she set up her own sleazy private server, which is what the thread is about, and why The Judge entered the order I just linked to.

Ooohhh, ouch! That has gotta hurt! But thanks for bumping the link while getting everything wrong.

Fantastic

Incorrect.
The President is subject to FOIA requests, but he can claim Executive Privilege to avoid compliance.
 
No, the President is not subject to FOIA.

Hillary was, which is why she set up her own sleazy private server, which is what the thread is about, and why The Judge entered the order I just linked to.

Ooohhh, ouch! That has gotta hurt! But thanks for bumping the link while getting everything wrong.

Fantastic

Trump set up the server long before being President, so even if FOIA had an exemption for Presidents, it didn't for him at the time.
 
Trump set up the server long before being President, so even if FOIA had an exemption for Presidents, it didn't for him at the time.

Are you seriously suggesting that Trump's private server set up while he was a private citizen is subject to the Freedom of Information Act? That is amazeballs!

Listen fellas, no one like a little b-b-b-bu-bbububub-but TRUMP derangement syndrome attempt to divert discussion from Hillary's despicable conduct as much as The Big Dog, but lets try to keep the claims in this actual dimension, ok?

As such, anyone got anything to say about the actual ruling this week about Hillary's conduct, or y'all just gonna keep on with Trump nonsense??
 
A private server in use for classified government information is either a problem, or it isn't. It's either a legal matter subject to FOIA, or it isn't.
 

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