Ed Clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham Part 3

[Ziggurat]

If only the lawyers at the FBI and Justice Department had understood the law, they could have gotten it right.

Did I say it was criminal to delete those emails? Plus, lying to the public isn't a crime, but it's not exactly a good thing.

 

[Meadmaker]

Did I say it was criminal to delete those emails? Plus, lying to the public isn't a crime, but it's not exactly a good thing.

You used the phrase "legal duty". It seemed to me like you were suggesting criminality.

 

[Ziggurat]

You used the phrase "legal duty". It seemed to me like you were suggesting criminality.

I'm not going to bother debating that part (except to note that the FBI said she shouldn't be prosecuted, it did NOT say that she committed no crime). But crime or not, she broke the law, and that's really not debatable. And she lied about it. If SG decides she doesn't care about either of those things, that's her prerogative, but she really has no grounds for arguing that nobody else should.

 

[plague311]

a few points. The stuff that was on the server should not have been there, the business related emails were not hers to destroy and the scrubbing of the email was not remotely routine.

All of the above is completely wrong, the hilited is complete ********. It's extremely routine to scrub decommissioned hard drives. In fact, she should have gone even further and had the hard drives shredded. You know nothing about IT, and you obviously have no clue what you're talking about when it comes to disposing of hard drives. Stick to what you know, making faux campaign slogans....

as such, using you logic she did it to hide things.

Fantastic!

No, that's using YOUR logic, which has been proven time and again to have a bias outlook when dealing with anything Clinton.

 

[plague311]

I'm not going to bother debating that part (except to note that the FBI said she shouldn't be prosecuted, it did NOT say that she committed no crime). But crime or not, she broke the law, and that's really not debatable. And she lied about it. If SG decides she doesn't care about either of those things, that's her prerogative, but she really has no grounds for arguing that nobody else should.

If by "not debatable" you mean "completely debatable and there's no evidence to support my claim", then yes. You hit the nail on the head.

 

[Ziggurat]

If by "not debatable" you mean "completely debatable and there's no evidence to support my claim", then yes. You hit the nail on the head.

Are you honestly that ignorant?

That's a rhetorical question, I already know the answer.

 

[plague311]

Are you honestly that ignorant?

That's a rhetorical question, I already know the answer.

Wow, not even going to thinly disguise that insult? Classy.

Your claim is she broke the law, I say that no one has ever said she broke the law, clearly Comey didn't say she broke the law. I remember the words reckless being used, but I don't remember him saying she broke the law. I would say being ignorant would be saying things that ignore the fact it's never been proven she broke a law. Don't let facts bother you though, they obviously haven't so far.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm not going to bother debating that part (except to note that the FBI said she shouldn't be prosecuted, it did NOT say that she committed no crime). But crime or not, she broke the law, and that's really not debatable. And she lied about it. If SG decides she doesn't care about either of those things, that's her prerogative, but she really has no grounds for arguing that nobody else should.

I have put my POV up many times. You don't need to make up your mistaken version of it.

A mistake is not a lie. They differ. That is not equivalent to your version I don't care about Clinton lying.


I help employers get their worksites in compliance with the law, it's part of my consulting work. It is almost NEVER treated as criminal when people are not in compliance with workplace laws, which is just what Comey said.

Go back and look at my posts before Comey released the FBI's findings and you will see I said exactly that, and low and behold, I knew what I was talking about. That must be frustrating to have Comey agree with me and not with you.

You can say it all you want, oooohhh, Clinton BROKE the LAW!!!!! I'm sure it's disappointing to all of the anti-Clinton folks who were so certain this was a criminal act, a law was broken, yadda yadda. And then what an outrage to find out Skeptic Ginger was right, violating workplace laws like this one, even involving FOIA, is not viewed as a criminal offense.

If you want to rant and rave that driving over the speed limit means you broke the law, we can get into a discussion about whether or not either of us cares if someone broke a traffic law. I see people breaking workplace laws every day, sometimes in appalling ways, like lapse infection control or breaking patient confidentiality laws. We can get into a discussion about whether or not either of us cares.

You want this non-criminal thing to be a big deal. The public is either buying that narrative, not buying it, or not giving a rip. I don't buy it.

Clinton is going to make a good POTUS.

 

[Ziggurat]

Your claim is she broke the law, I say that no one has ever said she broke the law, clearly Comey didn't say she broke the law.

Comey never said she didn't either. And the description he gave about what she did indicates that she broke the law.

Don't let facts bother you though, they obviously haven't so far.

That's ironic.

 

[The Big Dog]

Lolz, it appears to be routine to have your lawyers use bleachbit to wipe government emails after a request to turn them over.

That is the reason that thoroughly corrupt hilly has support. Blind eye to her corruption.

 

[Tero]

She broke some law but cannot be prosecuted and will not be arrested. Why are we still discussing it as if it were an American college student in Italy murdering her room mate? Or the Historical Jesus. Topics that go on for tens of thousands of posts. The FBI is done with her, period.

Factcheck: Comey said the FBI found evidence of “potential violations” of federal law, but such cases are generally not prosecuted. “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” Comey said.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

And you've added a false representation of the "evidence".

Scrubbing deleted stuff off your server, if it was simply the routine, is not evidence it was done to hide anything other than preventing people from trying to mine the trash for things that can be distorted.

Only according to your argument which has previously postulated that Clinton has a right to violate FOIA requests for personal privacy while intermixing her personal and work emails on an unauthorized system

 

[Ziggurat]

She broke some law but cannot be prosecuted and will not be arrested. Why are we still discussing it as if it were an American college student in Italy murdering her room mate? Or the Historical Jesus. Topics that go on for tens of thousands of posts. The FBI is done with her, period.

The open question is whether voters are done with her.

 

[Meadmaker]

She broke some law but cannot be prosecuted and will not be arrested. Why are we still discussing it as if it were an American college student in Italy murdering her room mate?

 

[pgwenthold]

She broke some law but cannot be prosecuted and will not be arrested. Why are we still discussing it as if it were an American college student in Italy murdering her room mate? Or the Historical Jesus. Topics that go on for tens of thousands of posts. The FBI is done with her, period.

Factcheck: Comey said the FBI found evidence of “potential violations” of federal law, but such cases are generally not prosecuted. “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” Comey said.

As far as we know, she may have also gone 45 mph when the speed limit is 40. Therefore, there is a potential violation of the law there.

Lock her up!

 

[thaiboxerken]

She broke some law but cannot be prosecuted and will not be arrested. Why are we still discussing it as if it were an American college student in Italy murdering her room mate? Or the Historical Jesus. Topics that go on for tens of thousands of posts. The FBI is done with her, period.

Factcheck: Comey said the FBI found evidence of “potential violations” of federal law, but such cases are generally not prosecuted. “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” Comey said.

First, they wanted to blame Obama for Benghazi Ambassador deaths in order to get Mitt Romney elected. That failed, so they passed the Benghazi narrative to Hillary. Numerous investigations didn't work to find any wrong doing by Hillary so they subpoena'd her emails. The emails showed no wrong doing for Benghazi so they decided to attack her on mishandling classified information. That really did not pan out like they wanted. Now the emails are being used to attack her on a Clinton Foundation path.

It's almost as if they are desperate to disqualify Hillary on some legal grounds because they know they can't win the POTUS election fairly.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

The open question is whether voters are done with her.

That thread -> that-a-way

 

[Tony Stark]

First, they wanted to blame Obama for Benghazi Ambassador deaths in order to get Mitt Romney elected. That failed, so they passed the Benghazi narrative to Hillary. Numerous investigations didn't work to find any wrong doing by Hillary so they subpoena'd her emails. The emails showed no wrong doing for Benghazi so they decided to attack her on mishandling classified information. That really did not pan out like they wanted. Now the emails are being used to attack her on a Clinton Foundation path.

It's almost as if they are desperate to disqualify Hillary on some legal grounds because they know they can't win the POTUS election fairly.

It is extremely pathetic and desperate. And not working.

**** the GOP.

 

[plague311]

Comey never said she didn't either. And the description he gave about what she did indicates that she broke the law.

We're doing the "absence of evidence" thing now? Unless he specifically says she didn't break the law, then she obviously did. When did you stop beating your wife?

Lolz, it appears to be routine to have your lawyers use bleachbit to wipe government emails after a request to turn them over.

There are a few things I would like evidence for, but don't worry, I'm not expecting any. 1) I would like confirmation that the "lawyers use bleachbit to wipe the government emails" (since lawyers don't generally do that type of thing.) 2) That using scrubbing software on a hard drive is anything but routine. See, you've just made some **** up here. You've implied that the lawyers did it, AND that they did it for the specific reason you quoted. We already know Hillary didn't have a problem with what was in the emails, she gave permission to have the cloud data turned over. I've explained repeatedly why that matters, your complete ignorance of it is noted. 3) I would like some form of evidence it was wiped AFTER the request had been put in. I honestly have no idea what the time frame of everything is, and can't find a timeline to save my life. I think you just made this part up too.

That is the reason that thoroughly corrupt hilly has support. Blind eye to her corruption.

Nah, she has support because she's not a loud-mouthed, racist bigot that was born with a golden spoon in her mouth.

 

[plague311]

She broke some law but cannot be prosecuted and will not be arrested. Why are we still discussing it...? *snip*

Because what you say isn't true. Even with your quote below, it doesn't say that she broke the law. Violations and breaking the law are two completely separate things. You could violate a policy, and policies aren't laws. Also, I have the "potential" to be a bad ass pitcher in baseball. Sadly, being fat, old, and not able to throw very well has limited that potential.

Factcheck: Comey said the FBI found evidence of “potential violations” of federal law, but such cases are generally not prosecuted. “Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,” Comey said.

No ****, because breaking a statute isn't breaking the law. The good ol' bait and switch. I've broken several company policies, and haven't been convicted of breaking the law in any of them. Are we changing the meanings of words now? I just want to stay consistent.