Ed Clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham Part 3

[The Big Dog]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/stat...-unclassify-clinton-emails-fbi-documents.html

For its part, the FBI also denied such a "quid pro quo," offering NBC News the following statement:

... Having been previously unsuccessful in attempts to speak with the senior State official, during the same conversation, the FBI official asked the State Department official if they would address a pending, unaddressed FBI request for space for additional FBI employees assigned abroad. Following the call, the FBI official consulted with a senior FBI executive responsible for determining the classification of the material and determined the email was in fact appropriately classified at the Secret level...

Holding my breath waiting for the accusation that it's all an FBI cover up ...

Confirmed the offer of the quid pro quo bribe

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Confirmed the offer of the quid pro quo bribe

Yeah, the entire FBI is shady as ****.

 

[The Big Dog]

Yeah, the entire FBI is shady as ****.

The only shady ones are the scumbags covering up for Hillary.

FBI: we'd like to put counter-terrorism agents overseas
State: we'd like to cover up Hillary's despicable conduct and our incompetent handling of Classified intelligence, lets make a deal.
FBI: No

 

[TheL8Elvis]

The only shady ones are the scumbags covering up for Hillary.

FBI: we'd like to put counter-terrorism agents overseas
State: we'd like to cover up Hillary's despicable conduct and our incompetent handling of Classified intelligence, lets make a deal.
FBI: No

I'm betting everyone noticed that instead of actual quotes, you make up your own.

 

[The Big Dog]

I'm betting everyone noticed that instead of actual quotes, you make up your own.

LOLZ! 'k!

State: “[REDACTED] received a call from [REDACTED] of the International Operations Division (IOD) of the FBI, who ‘pressured’ him to change the classified email to unclassified. [REDACTED] indicated he had been contacted by PATRICK KENNEDY, Undersecretary of State, who had asked his assistance in altering the email’s classification in exchange for a ‘quid pro quo.’” The notes go on to say, “[REDACTED] advised that, in exchange for marking the email unclassified, STATE would reciprocate by allowing the FBI to place more Agents in countries where they are presently forbidden.”

FBI: The classification of the email was not changed,

You sure showed me!

 

[Meadmaker]

I must confess, I'm nervous about this Patrick Kennedy stuff. The first article I read made it look very, very, bad. (From the Washington Post, no less.)


There's a whole lot more that will come out on this, so it may be that when all is revealed, it will turn out there is not much to reveal. Oh, sure, it will prompt lots of Congressional investigations into President Clinton, but will there be anything actually worth investigating, or will they find anything damning?

I hope not, because I thoroughly dislike Donald Trump. I would vote for corrupt over crazy if I had to. However, one cannot count on the electorate to agree. I hope that the significance of this Kennedy exchange is overblown. If so, it will just be a bunch of right wingers yapping as the nation yawns. If not, it could really hurt Clinton's election chances.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

LOLZ! 'k!

State: “[REDACTED] received a call from [REDACTED] of the International Operations Division (IOD) of the FBI, who ‘pressured’ him to change the classified email to unclassified. [REDACTED] indicated he had been contacted by PATRICK KENNEDY, Undersecretary of State, who had asked his assistance in altering the email’s classification in exchange for a ‘quid pro quo.’” The notes go on to say, “[REDACTED] advised that, in exchange for marking the email unclassified, STATE would reciprocate by allowing the FBI to place more Agents in countries where they are presently forbidden.”

FBI: The classification of the email was not changed,

You sure showed me!

Try reading the actual FBI statement. Which trumps the agents "notes"

Good luck with this.

 

[The Big Dog]

Try reading the actual FBI statement. Which trumps the agents "notes"

Good luck with this.

wait, wait, wait, wait wait!!

Are you saying that the press release put out by the FBI is more accurate than the contemporaneous notes taken during the witness's statement?

THAT is adorable!

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm not amazed by people who aren't outraged just because someone had a home server. I'm amazed by the fact that people try to make it out that just because nothing happened it makes the risks she took as a high level state official acceptable by any measure.....

In the scheme of things, given the State Department emails were also unsafe, and given the vast majority of classified documents were not sent via email but via a secure fax se-up of some kind, this does not rise to the level of outrage.

We are talking about a tiny fraction of classified materials. You make it sound like it was all the confidential materials that passed through Clinton's hands.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

wait, wait, wait, wait wait!!

Are you saying that the press release put out by the FBI is more accurate than the contemporaneous notes taken during the witness's statement?

THAT is adorable!

I'm saying that there was no quid pro quo, and nothing illegal or wrong happened. That's also what the FBI and state dept say.

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/17/49827...fbi-deny-quid-pro-quo-on-email-classification

By all means , continue with your conspiracy theory though.

 

[The Big Dog]

I'm saying that there was no quid pro quo, and nothing illegal or wrong happened. That's also what the FBI and state dept say.

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/17/49827...fbi-deny-quid-pro-quo-on-email-classification

By all means , continue with your conspiracy theory though.

There was no quid pro quo because the FBI told state to take their water carrying for Hillary and get stuffed.

The fact is that the offer from state is all you need.

Cmon, so simple

 

[The Great Zaganza]

There was no quid pro quo because the FBI told state to take their water carrying for Hillary and get stuffed.

The fact is that the offer from state is all you need.

Cmon, so simple

and what, exactly, is the power the State Department has over the FBI?

exactly, zero.

 

[Meadmaker]

wait, wait, wait, wait wait!!

Are you saying that the press release put out by the FBI is more accurate than the contemporaneous notes taken during the witness's statement?

THAT is adorable!

What would be unusual about that?

A witness exaggerating his own significance is not exactly front page news.

My first reading of the story left me fearful that there was real ammunition that Donald Trump could use, and which would appeal beyond his base. There may yet be, but it's looking a bit less likely to me.

When I first read the story, it seemed like this email in question was a classified document, and since Hillary had said there were no classified documents except for a few improperly marked ones, a State Department official wanted the FBI to change it so it didn't look bad, and was willing to alter policy toward those ends. That would be very, very bad.

If it were true.

On further review, it looks like this was a document that was unclassified. Prior to releasing the document in response to FOIA, it underwent routine review, and the FBI determined that it should be classified as secret. We knew there were lots of those, so the existence of one is of no significance.

For some reason, Patrick Kennedy didn't want that one classified, so he talked to someone at the FBI. (I don't think this happened while Hillary was still Secretary of State, which I'm sure will strike many Republicans as insignificant.) The FBI said no. It's secret.

Now comes the quid pro quo part. If Kennedy at that point offered a deal, that would be a major league no-no. However, that part of the conversation is disputed. The FBI version of events is that it was their former official who made the suggestion.

So, maybe it's nothing after all. I hope so. I hate Trump, and if this is anything like what Republicans want it to be, it's even bigger than copping a feel on a few dozen young women. I suppose we'll just have to stay tuned.

 

[Meadmaker]

I've seen a couple of references in this news story to a "B9" classification. Never heard of it. Is it a real thing, or is it a pun on "benign"?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Yeah, another devastating blow to her polling numbers and chances of being the next President.

I hope she recovers in time.

Maybe you shouldn't take TBD's version of events without checking.

There was no quid pro quo and none of it involved Clinton anyway. In addition the FBI, not the State Department initiated the exchange.

As for devastating blow to her polling numbers, just which polls are those?

State Department official sought FBI declassification of Clinton email.

According to notes from interviews conducted during an FBI investigation into Clinton's email practices, Undersecretary of State Patrick Kennedy personally tried to convince FBI officials that the email should be declassified. One interviewee described feeling "pressured" by another FBI official at Kennedy's request.

Could it be the 'pressure' was no more than a difference of opinion?

In one, an FBI official recounted hearing second-hand that the State Department had offered a "quid pro quo" in exchange for declassifying an email. In another, a different FBI official said he told State Department he'd look into the email, if State Department looked into his request for personnel in Iraq.

Second hand info, i.e. word of mouth, and that led to the FBI initiating the inquiry.

After the meeting, the individual said, "Kennedy spent the next 15 minutes debating the classification for he email and attempting to influence the FBI to change its markings."

It's being reported as trying to influence. But if one weren't looking for a salacious story, it could be a simple difference of opinion which is common when decisions to classify information are made.

The dispute was over an email that State determined to be unclassified, but in inter-agency review, the FBI said contained classified information.

State Department Deputy Spokesperson Mark Toner called allegations of a quid pro quo "inaccurate" and said Monday that Kennedy was trying to "understand" the FBI's decision to withhold the information.
"Classification is an art, not a science, and individuals with classification authority sometimes have different views," Toner said. "There can be applicable FOIA exemptions that are based on both classified and unclassified rules. ...

Sorry boys but there is no there there.

As for the polls, Clinton's position has only gotten stronger.

 

[plague311]

Maybe you shouldn't take TBD's version of events without checking.

There was no quid pro quo and none of it involved Clinton anyway. In addition the FBI, not the State Department initiated the exchange.

As for devastating blow to her polling numbers, just which polls are those?

I apologize, my sarcasm got lost due to being on the forum, and I forgot to emoji to make it clear. I was being facetious as she has an 80+% change to win in almost every poll.

 

[The Big Dog]

What would be unusual about that?

A witness exaggerating his own significance is not exactly front page news.

Sorry, I am a bit reluctant to take a press release spin as worth very much at all, although it would appear that it is Mother's Milk to Hillary supporters.

Any port in a storm, I guess

 

[Grizzly Bear]

In the scheme of things, given the State Department emails were also unsafe, and given the vast majority of classified documents were not sent via email but via a secure fax se-up of some kind, this does not rise to the level of outrage.

We are talking about a tiny fraction of classified materials. You make it sound like it was all the confidential materials that passed through Clinton's hands.

It certainly does rise to the level of scrutiny. Your arguement simply doesn't agree with what the laws require and suggests that the act of circumventing regulations is acceptable as long as nothing bad happens. Thats' simply an excuse for the bad behavior.... not a solution.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I guess I haven't seen to many people say it was ok for her to do it, but then again I wouldn't agree with that either. She's admitted to it being a mistake, that it was something she wouldn't do again if she were to have that option. I just don't know how long we can beat it into the ground. Obviously I agree with the FBI investigation, along with the other investigations, and at this point I just view it as a dead issue. It's over. What else can she possibly do to resolve this? Would the naysayers be happy with anything short of her volunteering to do time in prison? Does she have to drop out of the race? I'm just trying to figure out what you guys want her to do?

As to you... the election is a binary choice between clinton and trump. At this stage on the game you're voting against someone... not for someone. At least you know the candidates flaws and factored it into your choice rather than try to excuse the behavior. There are 3rd parties... but none realistically that are in a position to win this cycle... so emails or none at the moment she is one of the choices we have whether we like it or not

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Sorry, I am a bit reluctant to take a press release spin as worth very much at all, although it would appear that it is Mother's Milk to Hillary supporters.

Any port in a storm, I guess

By the hilited, you mean the FBIs own statement, not a "press release spin" as you so mis-characterize it.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/stat...-unclassify-clinton-emails-fbi-documents.html

For its part, the FBI also denied such a "quid pro quo," offering NBC News the following statement:

"Prior to the initiation of the FBI's investigation of former Secretary Clinton's personal email server, the FBI was asked to review and make classification determinations on FBI emails and information which were being produced by the State Department pursuant to FOIA. The FBI determined that one such email was classified at the Secret level. A senior State Department official requested the FBI re-review that email to determine whether it was in fact classified or whether it might be protected from release under a different FOIA exemption. A now-retired FBI official, who was not part of the subsequent Clinton investigation, told the State Department official that they would look into the matter. Having been previously unsuccessful in attempts to speak with the senior State official, during the same conversation, the FBI official asked the State Department official if they would address a pending, unaddressed FBI request for space for additional FBI employees assigned abroad. Following the call, the FBI official consulted with a senior FBI executive responsible for determining the classification of the material and determined the email was in fact appropriately classified at the Secret level. The FBI official subsequently told the senior State official that the email was appropriately classified at the Secret level and that the FBI would not change the classification of the email. The classification of the email was not changed, and it remains classified today. Although there was never a quid pro quo, these allegations were nonetheless referred to the appropriate officials for review."