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Climategate needs a better name

You obviously missed the bit where I said "save your tripe" and "I don't care".:D

You are assuming (in your invisible text) that one side has to be totally correct and the other must be totally wrong, which is also quite wrong.

Science does not have 'sides.' That's a pitiful invention of the television media, who enjoys the '2 talking heads' debate format. Hypothesis are subject to tests and known body of knowledge. When you have eliminated all hypothesis excepting one, you have an established theory. New hypothesis are tested against established theory, and if either the new hypothesis or the established theory fails to predict the results of the test, it is thrown out.

All hypothesis can fail to explain observed phenomena (see Quantum Mechanics). Then you have no workable general theories. Multiple hypothesis can explain observed phenomena with tests currently unable to be conducted due to technological limitations (too small, too fast, etc. (which some people believe QM falls into, but String Theory and Loop Quantum Gravity are their own little discussion). That's fine too - they generally get called 'theories' in the literature, but overall it's known that the correct one will eventually be established.

The 'anti-global warming' crowd has proposed hypotheses. It is caused by the sun - false, as the solar emission cycles have failed to correlate to the observed temperature rise. It is caused by natural cycles - no evidence, as past natural cycles do not correlate to current observations, so hypothesizing the first iteration of a brand new cycle both misses the point (cycles have their own causes) and therefore is generally silly (as this naturally points to the necessity of a hypothesis to explain the cycle, and thus boils down to a hypothesis that there's 'some other explanation'). It is caused by volcanoes - false, as CO2 emmissions of volcanoes are a percentage point or two of what humans emit, and sulfur compounds are observed to rapidly leave the atmosphere, similar to the dust compounds they throw up (which has a net cooling effect).

So you may posit that a crowd who clings to disproved hypotheses are as equally following the scientific method as people who hold that the hypothesis that has become established theory because it fits observations, tests, and existing theory is most likely correct. But you would be completely wrong too.

You are free to 'not care' and refer to science as 'tripe' but the beautiful thing about science is that it is not an opinion poll. Everyone in the entire universe can believe that something is true, and if its experimentally disproved or contradicted by observation, then it's not true at all.
 
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Americans putting -gate at the end of every scandal is a bit annoying.

I agree, so henceforce I will refer to all scandals other than Watergate with the suffix -Dome in honor of the Teapot Dome scandal.

As this one involves the weather, I would suggest:

Thunder Dome.

As all scandals do, eventually this one will subside and we will be able to move Beyond Thunder Dome.
 
I agree, so henceforce I will refer to all scandals other than Watergate with the suffix -Dome in honor of the Teapot Dome scandal.

As this one involves the weather, I would suggest:

Thunder Dome.

As all scandals do, eventually this one will subside and we will be able to move Beyond Thunder Dome.

So, it's just time that required?

We don't need another hero?
 
Actually, it may be a very appropriate name.

Watergate had to do with a conspiracy to break into the offices of the political opposition to look for dirt that could be turned into a scandal in the lead-up to an important deadline (after which a full investigation wouldn't matter), all in support of a campaign to maintain incumbent power. The CRU break-in looks like a similar kind of effort.

What's more, the CRU in England appears to be only one of at least two different targets on different continents. There are allegations now that there were physical and virtual attempts in recent months to break into climatological data at the University of Victoria, in Canada.

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2300282

If this is true, I have to ask if this espionage is coordinated, and if there were other sites targeted. We already need to ask who was behind the CRU break-in, and what their motives were, and hopefully the investigation will find something. But should we look at UVic just as deeply? The timing of these attempts suggests the possibility of coordination. Has any other university or agency faced similar attacks?
 
Actually, it may be a very appropriate name.

Watergate had to do with a conspiracy to break into the offices of the political opposition to look for dirt that could be turned into a scandal in the lead-up to an important deadline (after which a full investigation wouldn't matter), all in support of a campaign to maintain incumbent power. The CRU break-in looks like a similar kind of effort.

What's more, the CRU in England appears to be only one of at least two different targets on different continents. There are allegations now that there were physical and virtual attempts in recent months to break into climatological data at the University of Victoria, in Canada.

http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=2300282

If this is true, I have to ask if this espionage is coordinated, and if there were other sites targeted. We already need to ask who was behind the CRU break-in, and what their motives were, and hopefully the investigation will find something. But should we look at UVic just as deeply? The timing of these attempts suggests the possibility of coordination. Has any other university or agency faced similar attacks?
/b/ is /b/ored is my hypothesis.
 
There's an old sating that a British is someone who says that if A thinks 2+2=4, and B thinks 2+2=17, the truth is surely somewhere in between.
I know some old sayings about Jews, but for some reason I have never felt them worth repeating.
 
I hadn't thought of that. ;)

But, of course, they don't believe in anything but lulz. This is too much work for them.

I'd point out that they've spent weeks ruining people's lives, hacked Sarah Palin's email account, have continued a multi-month campaign against Scientology, all for the lulz.

Don't underestimate their dedication.
 
Yeah, modern change must really be tough from those who were brought up in the middle ages, unused to such violence.
 
I've just read about a new term for the warmers. It's not mine, so don't blame me..

Warm-mongers

wonder if it'll catch on?
 
I've just read about a new term for the warmers. It's not mine, so don't blame me..

Warm-mongers

wonder if it'll catch on?

I have a new hypothesis: Taking you off ignore was a bad idea.

I gave you a fair chance. I even defended you. You're not asking questions, you're 'asking questions' 9/11 truther style.
 
I have a new hypothesis: Taking you off ignore was a bad idea.

I gave you a fair chance. I even defended you. You're not asking questions, you're 'asking questions' 9/11 truther style.

Too bad, Greyice - I am sorry you feel that way.
Whlst I am appreciative of your support it seems you don't recognise when I am joking. I take the piss out of both sides (and myself) regularly.

That said, I have found all too many comments to be downright offensive when it comes to legitimate questions, so I changed my tack. The constant barrage of abuse has become so much the norm that any question was treated with abuse, ridicule and ad homs. I found I was explaining myself and my position over and over again. Yet here I am doing it again.

The warmer-alarmists clearly like to intimidate people into submission. I am not one so easily intimidated and scared off.

So, as I said, I have changed my tack.

I am not a denier, but a skeptic. I simply have changed the tone of my words to make it clear that I am on that side, as there seemed little point in arguing my position for the 100th time.

So, now to you (and others no doubt) I am a denier. That is the word they would have me wear. So I will wear it. Not happliy, but that's what they wanted.

In the meantime I will continue to stir the pot, knowing full well that anything that gets said or posted by me will be shouted down and I will be lambasted (whether the question is fair or not).

But that is the way of the warmer isn't it? Consensus by angry suppression.
 
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