Claims of There Being No Evidence

[OntarioSquatch]

It's something I see here often. It's simply not the case. Dr. Meldrum has openly stated they have hairs from an unknown species that only matches the group of hominidae (great apes). Moving to DNA evidence, Dr. Ketchum has over 100 samples that are said to be from 20-28 different Bigfoot individuals, with one of the best samples coming from the man who shot two in Northern California. It's ultimately up to you if you want to believe in this or not, but the claims of there being no evidence are false.

 

[dafydd]

It's something I see here often. It's simply not the case. Dr. Meldrum has openly stated they have hairs from an unknown species that only matches the group of hominidae (great apes). Moving to DNA evidence, Dr. Ketchum has over 100 samples that are said to be from 20-28 different Bigfoot individuals, with one of the best samples coming from the man who shot two in Northern California. It's ultimately up to you if you want to believe in this or not, but the claims of there being no evidence are false.

Where can I find results of the tests on this so-called evidence?

 

[PixyMisa]

It's something I see here often. It's simply not the case. Dr. Meldrum has openly stated they have hairs from an unknown species that only matches the group of hominidae (great apes).

That's nice.

Moving to DNA evidence, Dr. Ketchum has over 100 samples that are said to be from 20-28 different Bigfoot individuals, with one of the best samples coming from the man who shot two in Northern California.

You mean, he says he has over 100 such samples.

It's ultimately up to you if you want to believe in this or not, but the claims of there being no evidence are false.

Claims of evidence are not the same thing as evidence. Until the evidence is actually in evidence, the position that there is no evidence is the one supported by the evidence.

 

[Lamuella]

It's something I see here often. It's simply not the case. Dr. Meldrum has openly stated they have hairs from an unknown species that only matches the group of hominidae (great apes). Moving to DNA evidence, Dr. Ketchum has over 100 samples that are said to be from 20-28 different Bigfoot individuals, with one of the best samples coming from the man who shot two in Northern California. It's ultimately up to you if you want to believe in this or not, but the claims of there being no evidence are false.

which lab has examined this evidence? Where are the results published?

 

[sadhatter]

I say i have found scales that could only come from a great Wyrm dragon, there is just no other animal they could be.

You feel like giving me 50 bucks to see a documentary about it?

People say stuff, and there is no magic agency that goes around making sure they arn't full of **** in cases like this. If BF existed real scientists would be using real resources to really get one, and they probably wouldn't be all that nice about it, tranquing or just shooting one so they could see "Here one is, now can we get some grants to study them?".

I mean really, with all the rednecks hunting BF , not one of them, not a single guy has said "Screw nature, i'm gonna shoot me one and live like a king the rest of my life.". This, if nothing else puts the final nail in the BF coffin. Saying there is a species that generally attracts hunting and survival types, that hasn't been shot and stuffed yet?

 

[The Shrike]

Dr. Meldrum has openly stated . . . Dr. Ketchum has over 100 samples that are said to be . . . It's ultimately up to you if you want to believe in this or not, but the claims of there being no evidence are false.

So why is it okay for you to claim there is evidence but not okay to make the claim that there is none?

If you really can't see how you're basing your position on anecdotal information - and why that's a problem - then you've learned nothing in your time here and you really should invest some time in practicing your critical thinking skills. Please get a copy of Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World" and read it with an open mind. You might still believe in bigfoot after you read it, but at least if you would be forced to come up with a better reason for doing so than the drivel in your opening post.

 

[GeeMack]

It's something I see here often. It's simply not the case. Dr. Meldrum has openly stated they have hairs from an unknown species that only matches the group of hominidae (great apes). Moving to DNA evidence, Dr. Ketchum has over 100 samples that are said to be from 20-28 different Bigfoot individuals, with one of the best samples coming from the man who shot two in Northern California. It's ultimately up to you if you want to believe in this or not, but the claims of there being no evidence are false.

No. It's ultimately up to you to provide objective evidence if you claim Bigfoot exists and you expect any rational, clear thinking people to accept it. I tried to explain that "objective" stuff to you in another thread. Apparently it went over your head. Would you like another lesson?

 

[JJM 777]

is there evidence of the evidence?

 

[dafydd]

It's something I see here often. It's simply not the case. Dr. Meldrum has openly stated they have hairs from an unknown species that only matches the group of hominidae (great apes). Moving to DNA evidence, Dr. Ketchum has over 100 samples that are said to be from 20-28 different Bigfoot individuals, with one of the best samples coming from the man who shot two in Northern California. It's ultimately up to you if you want to believe in this or not, but the claims of there being no evidence are false.

You have it backwards. Claims of having evidence can be made and then the evidence can be examined.

 

[Andy_Ross]

evidently not.

Dr. Ketchum has over 100 samples that are said to be from 20-28 different Bigfoot individuals, with one of the best samples coming from the man who shot two in Northern California.

So he has DNA sequencing for 28 differen t individuals?

Someone shot two? where are they? Didn't he at least get a picture of the body? or did he just wing them?

 

[Resume]

Dr. Ketchum has over 100 samples that are said to be from 20-28 different Bigfoot individuals, with one of the best samples coming from the man who shot two in Northern California. It's ultimately up to you if you want to believe in this or not, but the claims of there being no evidence are false.

These . . . people seem to know where Footie lives, so why is it do you imagine that they do not just go there and acquire a specimen?

 

[ynot]

It's something I see here often. It's simply not the case. Dr. Meldrum has openly stated they have hairs from an unknown species that only matches the group of hominidae (great apes). Moving to DNA evidence, Dr. Ketchum has over 100 samples that are said to be from 20-28 different Bigfoot individuals, with one of the best samples coming from the man who shot two in Northern California. It's ultimately up to you if you want to believe in this or not, but the claims of there being no evidence are false.

You’re making two (at least) believer mistakes . . .
(1) Claims are NOT evidence.
(2) Beliefs are NOT knowledge.

 

[OntarioSquatch]

evidently not.



So he has DNA sequencing for 28 differen t individuals?

Someone shot two? where are they? Didn't he at least get a picture of the body? or did he just wing them?

Everyone who is involved in the study is currently under a Non-Disclosure Agreement so the official results can be published in a journal.

The first one he shot ran away and likely died somewhere. The second one was a juvenile that he shot and killed as well. Both him and his partner Derek Randles picked up the body and got a good look at it. They got scared and left him there. Eventually a researcher convinced him to go back up there to recover the bodies because they were too important. He went back and was able to retrieve what's now known as the Bigfoot "steak".

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Dr. Meldrum's statements aren't just claims. The analysed hairs are true scientific evidence for an unknown species of primate that we have yet to discover.

These . . . people seem to know where Footie lives, so why is it do you imagine that they do not just go there and acquire a specimen?

If it was that easy we would have numerous kills by now. Northern California isn't the only place they are said to exist.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

So we have the word of Meldrum and nothing else that this evidence exists? That's not the way science works. If these things exist, let others examine it and if they are able to reproduce the DNA analyses --and whatever he did to conclude that the hairs are an unknown hominidae species-- Meldrum claims, then there will be widespread acceptance of the existence of this evidence.

Otherwise all you have is "are said to be" which is not evidence. (Let me guess, they're "said to be" by Meldrum, right? The passive voice is a giveaway that some shenanigans are going on.)

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Everyone who is involved in the study is currently under a Non-Disclosure Agreement so the official results can be published in a journal.

Non-Disclosure Agreement? Why? Again, that's not how science works.

At the very least, come back after the official results have been published (if that's your reason for not being able to produce the evidence).

Dr. Meldrum's statements aren't just claims. It's true scientific evidence for an unknown species of primate.

This is simply question begging. It's just like a little kid saying, "Is so!" It's not an argument. If all you have are claims, then they are claims. Claims can be supported by evidence or not. The problem here is that Meldrum isn't willing to produce the evidence to support his claims. The most likely reason is that the evidence doesn't exist.

 

[dafydd]

Everyone who is involved in the study is currently under a Non-Disclosure Agreement so the official results can be published in a journal.

Very funny. I bet it won't be a scientific journal, just a woo website.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

They got scared and left him there.

Pull the other one; it's got bells on.

 

[Bikewer]

I'm not even following the Bigfoot thing that closely, but I know that in terms of the science, Meldrum is a lone voice crying in the wilderness. Essentially, a crank, much as Linus Pauling became a crank over vitamin C in his dotage.
As the others say, unless he submits his "evidence" to reputable biological researchers for examination and analysis....we have nothing but unverified claims from someone with little credibility.

 

[River]

Everyone who is involved in the study is currently under a Non-Disclosure Agreement so the official results can be published in a journal.

The first one he shot ran away and likely died somewhere. The second one was a juvenile that he shot and killed as well. Both him and his partner Derek Randles picked up the body and got a good look at it. They got scared and left him there. Eventually a researcher convinced him to go back up there to recover the bodies because they were too important. He went back and was able to retrieve what's now known as the Bigfoot "steak".

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Dr. Meldrum's statements aren't just claims. The analysed hairs are true scientific evidence for an unknown species of primate that we have yet to discover.






If it was that easy we would have numerous kills by now. Northern California isn't the only place they are said to exist.

Specifically, show us which evidence you speak of. Not in general terms. Which specific hair, or DNA result do you speak of? Lets talk about those specific claims. Was it published? Where?

 

[dafydd]

The first one he shot ran away and likely died somewhere. The second one was a juvenile that he shot and killed as well. Both him and his partner Derek Randles picked up the body and got a good look at it. They got scared and left him there. Eventually a researcher convinced him to go back up there to recover the bodies because they were too important. He went back and was able to retrieve what's now known as the Bigfoot "steak".

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Cool story. Got any evidence? I once shot a unicorn but I got scared and ran away.