Claims about Flight 93 debris
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CurtC
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How on earth could you even take a guess at the angle of impact from that photo?
That photo tells me that the plane hit nose-first, not wingtip-first or belly-first, but conveys no information about the angle it hit at.
The property owner, Lambert, said the 2nd engine wasn't recovered from his property. He said it was a piece of the fuselage and the report that it was an engine was incorrect.
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I'll be glad to address your question, TC, when you've addressed mine, whichI have repeatedly asked. Why are you avoiding answering?
1) Several weeks ago you claimed that no human remains were found at the flight 93 crash site. I gave you the contact information for the three principals who worked on remains collection and identification. I asked you to contact these people with your questions.
Have you done so? If not, why? If so, what did they say?
2) You have repeatedly claimed that the crater imprint showed a wingspan of as little as 40 feet. I have repeatedly shown your claim to be false.
Do you agree that the wing imprint is consistent with a plane the size of a Boeing 757?
1) Several weeks ago you claimed that no human remains were found at the flight 93 crash site. I gave you the contact information for the three principals who worked on remains collection and identification. I asked you to contact these people with your questions.
Have you done so? If not, why? If so, what did they say?
2) You have repeatedly claimed that the crater imprint showed a wingspan of as little as 40 feet. I have repeatedly shown your claim to be false.
Do you agree that the wing imprint is consistent with a plane the size of a Boeing 757?
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Would you agree that the appearance of this crater indicates a 39degree angle at impact as stated by the fdr data or do you think it would be more consistent with a 90degree angle at impact?
That wingspan impact is exactly a 757! Wow. Only an idiot can not figure that out! Do you know anyone who can not measure this? Because it is exactly the wingspan of a 757.
Plus it is exactly what a high speed ground impact looks like! You must remember the plane was going 600 mph and that is what an impact of jet into the ground looks like at 600 mph. The bouncing off the ground only works when the elastic properties of the aircraft are not exceeded. Too bad most CTers are incapable of looking up what a high speed aircraft impact looks like.
CTer must be too lazy to find a high speed impact crash. Too lazy or too dumb.
So you posted proof of a wingspan impact of a 757, and a high speed impact of a 757 into the ground. Good job you are self debunking like all CTers are.
Why are you not able to measure the wingspan impact with the photos you have?
Are you unable to be honest? If you can not measure it properly you must be telling lies about 9/11.
The aircraft debris was ejected all over; just like a high speed ground impact of an aircraft. You should ask a real accident investigator and stop using rookies to make up stuff.
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Would you agree that the appearance of this crater indicates a 39degree angle at impact as stated by the fdr data or do you think it would be more consistent with a 90degree angle at impact?
This is a good photo. It shows a 757 wingspan impact at 40 degrees nose down with a right turn impact at 170 to 190 degrees (like going south and turning right. See the left wing dug in and the plane was turning right. You can see this in this photo. So at 40 degree impact the plane dug in deep and some debris was ejected as the plane smashed into the ground at 700 to 800 feet per second.
Some idiot at LCF said there was no fuel found in the soil. What part of fire does he not understand. Fuel burns and it is no longer fuel.
I hope you did not get this junk from LCF; those guys at LCF are down right stupid. Do you agree? Thanks for this photo it pretty much proves flight 93 was a 757 that hit at around 40 degrees nose down and heading south. You can see the twist in the ground and the ejected material was south of the impact.
Proof provided by? Thanks again. You should post over at LCF and they can see how the wingspan matches a 757. Be careful they censor and ban people as if they were running a NAZI propaganda machine.
The plane was turning to the south and impacted; see the left wing digs out the ground and the right wing digs into the ground and piles up soil; and the left wing sweeps along piling up dirt in the turn direction also. Who said the aircraft debris was not in the correct direction. It is exactly where the plane was headed south and 40 degrees into the ground.
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I think the left engine was ejected and the right engine dug into the ground from looking at the photo. Which one was it? The search is on.
It looks like there is a ground impact for each engine which one flew down the hill?
After being on a few AF accidents I think the left engine was flung down south from the impact. This is because the plane was turning south when it hit. That puts a moment on the engine at impact so it would have energy to break off and leave in the direction the plane was going. It looks like the right wing hit before the left wing and that engine was buried with the impact as the plane was turning right. I have to check all the parameters again but that is why both engines were not buried. The engine impacts were slightly different due to the movement of the aircraft at the time of impact. Even in slow speed hi angle (greater than 15 degrees) accidents the plane buries a lot of stuff into the ground and also ejects a lot of stuff.
It looks like there is a ground impact for each engine which one flew down the hill?
After being on a few AF accidents I think the left engine was flung down south from the impact. This is because the plane was turning south when it hit. That puts a moment on the engine at impact so it would have energy to break off and leave in the direction the plane was going. It looks like the right wing hit before the left wing and that engine was buried with the impact as the plane was turning right. I have to check all the parameters again but that is why both engines were not buried. The engine impacts were slightly different due to the movement of the aircraft at the time of impact. Even in slow speed hi angle (greater than 15 degrees) accidents the plane buries a lot of stuff into the ground and also ejects a lot of stuff.
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Buckaroo
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Really? And how closely do you think he was alowed to inspect crime scene debris as it was being tagged and carted away? My guess is that he wasn't allowed anywhere near it.
Even if he was, are you honestly saying that someone without aviation expertise could tell the difference between the twisted metal of an aircraft engine that had struck the ground at 600 MPH and the twisted metal of an aircraft fuselage that had struck the ground at 600 MPH?
Why are you people so married to this idiocy?
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Bump for Einsteen
Okay, admittedly, I was really just using this as an opportunity to check the clock (i.e. the synchronicity of clocks among time zones and websites and such) but it seemed like as good a place as any to do so.
Carry on
Okay, admittedly, I was really just using this as an opportunity to check the clock (i.e. the synchronicity of clocks among time zones and websites and such) but it seemed like as good a place as any to do so.
Carry on
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