CIT.....Time to call it a day

[Pinch]

Looking forward to the paper, Reheat. With the fact being these morons are all over the map regarding their stories - north of the Citgo, over the Annex, parallel to the Annex, north of the Pentagon, over the south parking lot, etc, it isn't very difficult to find a fish to shoot in their barrel.

 

[Reheat]

Looking forward to the paper, Reheat. With the fact being these morons are all over the map regarding their stories - north of the Citgo, over the Annex, parallel to the Annex, north of the Pentagon, over the south parking lot, etc, it isn't very difficult to find a fish to shoot in their barrel.

Shoot me an email address via PM and I'll send you an advanced copy to critique.

 

[GlennB]

...
Anyway, back on topic. Waldo is moving the goal posts, he is now asking: can "a plane cannot descend or fly into a banking turn around the north side of the Citgo and toward the Pentagon?"

Toward the Pentagon? While your sheep on the Loose Change board might put up with that nonsense, I am afraid you are going to have to do better than that. You recall that your Hollywood special effect explosion was an integral part of your fantasy. If the plane does not fly over the impact site, your witnesses would have been in a position to see the flyover.
...

Say, Waldo, please grow a pair and tell Lagasse he didn't see the plane continue “on a shallow-fast decent and literally hit the building were it met the ground. There was no steep bank, but a shallow bank with a heavy uncoordinated left rudder turn causing a severe yaw into the building.” Please.

Well Lordy, it's the Twoofer Tango. Introduce a little shuffle here, a little shimmy there and we're dancing in a different part of the ballroom entirely.

Reading between the lines (the stupid over there is beginning to hurt, I hardly dare go there these days) I'd guess he has taken the "calculayshuns" on board and is looking to allow himself some room for manoeuvre, by allowing a flyover path well N of the impact area.

Of course - as you suggest - this means the witnesses watch a plane flying here while saying "oooerrr !! ..... why is there a massive explosion and fireball there ??" Which nobody did. So that's OK then

 

[jaydeehess]

I have sent PM's to several folks who I know can review/critique my paper on CIT's folly.

A soon as it's "Peer Reviewed" it will be published on 911myths.com for everyone to view.

I don't intend to insult anyone by omitting someone who has the ability to calculate a turn radius, so I've only contacted folks who I know can do this.

If you feel left out, please PM me with a request and an email address and I'll send it to you.

pm sent.
However I have moved to the cottage for the summer and will only be online at noon sp I will not have a lot of time Besides, my kal-kew-lating is slow and cumbersome , but I'll do my best

 

[Bobert]

Looks like one of Waldo's star witnesses doesn't want his picture or voice used in their groovy movie.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=87686&t=327800
And why might you ask?
Out of fear of the NWO?
Hmmmmmm fear of job loss as a result of appearing with the Dynamic Duo?
Well nooooooooo he has a much bigger fear

Levi is a good guy and doesn't want to get involved more than he already he has in that it might taint is his music career.

Well geez they are only uncovering the GREATEST CRIME IN US HISTORY!!
I wonder how that conversation went
"Well gee Aldo I know that you are blowing the lid off of the murder of 3000 people by our own government but man I gotta get this record out man!!!!"
I smell BS on both Aldo (shocking) as well as Levi.
Does Aldo have any clue what a joke he makes himself sound like by posting this stuff?
Hi JFK!!

 

[Pinch]

His MUSIC career????

THAT is hilarious! Exactly, Bobert! The BIGGEST crime of the centuries, and the CIT boys sit back and say "Oh....ummm...yes....well....I understand.....your music career comes first. Thanks for your input. hey Craig...pass the bong, dude".

This has *got* to be some huge joke the CIT boys are in on. Has to be. You couldn't *write* this stuff even if you were the highest paid screenwriter in Hollywood! Nobody would believe it!

 

[jaydeehess]

Looks like one of Waldo's star witnesses doesn't want his picture or voice used in their groovy movie.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=87686&t=327800

We respect his wishes and will not include his voice or picture in our presentations. Levi is a good guy and doesn't want to get involved more than he already he has in that it might taint is his music career. He knows what we believe and he outwardly believes the plane hit the building. We're ok with that. What he believes and what he saw are two completely different things.

So eyewitness tesimony is really, really great, stupendous stuff but since it is also unrealiable we will read into any and all of it anything we damn well feel like. In the case of the plane that approached the Pentagon low and fast this means that every single solitary witness who states that the plane hit the Pentagon is wrong even though every single witness who was in position to see it occur says it did just that.

unnnnbeeeleeevable!!

 

[jaydeehess]

ya know, we keep on asking the CIT for a flyover witness. How about even one that says the plane did not hit the Pentagon, missed it on one side or the other. This must be someone who says, specifically that the plane that came in low and fast did not hit the Pentagon. It would have to be demonstrably the supposed NoC plane.

So far every single witness in position to view that side of the Pentagon and the plane as it approached the Pentagon (the only ones who would be in position to see this plane miss) state categorically that the plane hit the Pentagon.
That includes, among others, Boger, Turios, Brooks, Morin and Lagasse.

So what the CIT are doing is taking the single point on which every one of their witnesses agree on and stating that they are mistaken in that one part of their memory while taking their variant memories of the position of the plane as it passed them and saying that the fact that they don't all agree on the fine point is not note worthy.

Atta way guys, Aldo says you aren't 'real' investigators so it doesn't matter that you do a balls-up job of investigating. You certainly prove your lack of training and credentials with every pronouncement.

 

[Reheat]

Atta way guys, Aldo says you aren't 'real' investigators so it doesn't matter that you do a balls-up job of investigating. You certainly prove your lack of training and credentials with every pronouncement.

Take a look at teh latest!

ETA: Ooops... http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/297723/9/

I'm accused of failing to address all possible type of aircraft to include "shape memory alloy" morphed wing technology.

As I told them, I'm delighted at this line of denial. It pleases me to no end that this is what they are reduced to arguing.

Take it to court CIT. Be sure to wear a clown costume as you will become the modern day Court Jesters!

 

[Myriad]

Take a look at teh latest!

I'm accused of failing to address all possible type of aircraft to include "shape memory alloy" morphed wing technology.

That's a good point.

After all, after the Wachowskis revealed the true nature of reality in "The Matrix," they went on to film "Speed Racer." Was this a subtle message that Mazinger Z, Mobile Suit Gundam, and Johnny Sokko's Flying Robot are all also real?

I'm sure if any ten-story-tall mechanical samurai stomped away from the scene, or jetted away on boot-rockets, the CIT will be able to penetrate the cover-up and find a witness to it.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[nicepants]

this means that every single solitary witness who states that the plane hit the Pentagon is wrong even though every single witness who was in position to see it occur says it did just that.

unnnnbeeeleeevable!!

From a discussion with Aldo @ PFT (prior to my ban):

 

[Calcas]

Take a look at teh latest!

ETA: Ooops... http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/297723/9/

I'm accused of failing to address all possible type of aircraft to include "shape memory alloy" morphed wing technology.

As I told them, I'm delighted at this line of denial. It pleases me to no end that this is what they are reduced to arguing.

Take it to court CIT. Be sure to wear a clown costume as you will become the modern day Court Jesters!

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/1840746c1f10359a41.gif[/qimg]

I see that you've finally joined up over there. Have they relegated you to the "skeptics" forum yet? That's usually what JFK does to people in lieu of banning them. Although he usually just bans.

Good luck. Their nuttiness has worn thin with me and I rarely even lurk anymore.

 

[Bobert]

OUCH!!!
They got their boots on over there at LCF!!!
Dont bother mentioning that we have a free press or you get banned for trolling
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=88933&t=265029

 

[Reheat]

I see that you've finally joined up over there. Have they relegated you to the "skeptics" forum yet? That's usually what JFK does to people in lieu of banning them. Although he usually just bans.

Not yet, but it's been threatened. He's just waiting for the opportunity, most likely.

 

[jaydeehess]

So Aldo conceedes that every single solitary witness is lying or incorrect if they mention that the plane hit the building. Oddly enough that is exactly the ONE point that all witnesses who were in position to view such an event do say.

I see that C.H. believes that writing a fiction about the possibility of the use of a technology as yet unknown to exist on any flying vehicle is somehow not speculation.
Methinks he needs to look up the definition of 'speculation' given that he engages in it so very much.

C.H. entire line of reasoning is tantamount to invoking magic.

I did not read the entire thread but did someone point out that the g forces would remain the same in a turn of given radius and velocity no matter what magical flying beastie performs the manouver?

I've made the point before that if they are going to invoke such magic in the form of advanced tech then they would be better served suggesting that the object 'flew' under the Pentagon by adjusting its existance in 4 or more dimensions. There is just as much validity to such a line of 'discussion' as there is for a sooper-sekrit wing tech.

Now Aldo alludes to being able to prove somehow that the plane was going much slower than 300KIAS so that reheat's numbers will look better.

 

[jaydeehess]

C.H. and the CiT seem to not understand that reheat's putting numbers to the flight path is not speculation. It is a physical description of the manouvers they ascribe to and given that no aircraft, matching the descriptions given by the witnesses they have interviewed, can perform such manovers.

Well perhaps Aldo kind of is beginning to understand given that their new sleuthing is designed to show that the plane was travelling a lot slower, and that witnesses were not only fooled into believeing that the plane hit the building but also fooled into seeing a slow plane as a fast plane.

 

[jaydeehess]

ReheatJun 7 2008, 11:01 PM
List your proof that 9/11 was not an alien invasion.



List your proof that the moon is not made of blue cheese.

lol and reheat finally cracks under pressure.......

wow, sailed right over Dom's head that one did. The stupid,,,, it burns!

 

[Garb]

CIT and any discussion at the Pentagon is pointless there. They believe that a 757 was scrapped with its passengers killed, while another plane (or missle, or whatever) was either crashed or flown over, while light poles were taken from white vans and put on the highway to make the impression that a 757 hit the light poles.

Is it really worthwhile to entertain this nonsense?

 

[Horatius]

Don't worry guys. His numbers will mean **** in the end.

I can assure you that we even newer evidence that definitely proves that plane was going a lot slower than we thought.

Weren't these the guys who were saying not to long ago that it's impossible to tell how fast the plane was going? One wonders what "newer evidence" they could have that would change that.....

 

[A W Smith]

If you take all the witness testimony into account the flight path has more tight turns in it than the log flume at six flags in jackson NJ.