CIT Fraud Revealed

I'm not american. If you're not interested in the topic, go away. Here's a good read about KSM, so you got something to do.


FYI - I'm not American either. KSM has great relevance in every topic because his evidence alone refutes all and everything that truthers say. FACT.

You dont believe the physical evidence or the science and make stuff up like Noc/Soc.

An aircraft hyjacked by terrorists recruited by KSM hit the pentagon. He admits this. This puts the Noc/Soc arguements in the same place as the rest. If you wish to continue discussing Noc/SoC then you need to explain why it is of any relevence given that the perpetrator has already confessed and his version of events matches exactley that that we all witnessed and which all other evidence points.
 
As they say, good luck with that. I gave up on that poster a while ago. She doesn't seem to answer direct questions, IIRC.
 
As they say, good luck with that. I gave up on that poster a while ago. She doesn't seem to answer direct questions, IIRC.

If you mean our Empress, all she does is post links to batcrap crazy left wing websites.
She is fun when she goes into her routine of how misunderstood Milosovec was, and how all the Serbian atrocities in Bosnia and Kosovo were Western Propaganda.
She is also a huge admirer of Putin.
Make your own judgements as to where she is coming from.
 
I won't attempt using software that I have seen so far used only to produce crap for results.

An ´artistic eye´ doesn´t quite debunk it.

An artistic eye is the first thing to apply when evaluating an over-all graphic result.

To a machine, it makes perfect sense, but, to a Mark I eyeball, your stuff is goofy as all hell. Sometimes it takes a human, preferrably one trained in observing this sort of thing, to tell the machine is i wrong.

You just need to learn that a computer is an elctronic idio savavant.


Perfect memory, not a bloody clue.
 
She contradicts the Annex witnesses and the NOC witnesses
NOBODY corraborates her account.

´Treetop level´? ´nearly skimming the rooftop of the STC´?
She certainly corraborates Ed Paik in this regard. How does this fit with the altitude data?
The plane was allegedly in a descent from over 200ft according to Warren Stutt´s data. Higher than the Sheraton.

Here is her alleged POV

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You DO see the problem here?

Her POV was obstructed

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In an e-mail exchange with Russell Pickering she also claim

Does the plane ´tilt´ anywhere in the FDR data within the last 8 seconds of flight? At 540+mph?

Lie. Ed Paik, Terry Morin and 4 of the ANC witnesses either weren´t in any position to see an ´impact´ or claimed that they didn´t.
The NOC testimony makes this physically impossible.

I´ve continually pulled you up on your lies Beachnut throughout this and other threads.
I have watched ALL of CIT´s videos free of charge. They are publically available on the net. Lying again..

Your ´physics´ are based on officially sanctioned unverified data, which no witness described. Altitude, trajectory and speed are contradicted at EVERY turn.

The ´2,223gs´ was cleared up publically by Rob Balsamo

Wow, lie number 3, all in one post. (New record for you?)


He ´pointed South´ yet drew this path. Slip of the pen?
That the other NOC witnesses actually saw the plane SOC shows you have delusions I can´t begin to fathom.

Paik points south, as you spew moronic delusions from CIT moronic investigators.

She is supported by physics, FDR, DNA, all the other witnesses saw the same plane she saw over her. Yes, she could see Flight 77 because it was up in the air, not on the ground behind trees, up in the air.

She saw 77 on the official flight path as did all CIT witnesses if you understood how to interpret witness statements. Sorry I am a trained investigator in aircraft accidents and trained to interview witnesses; CIT did nothing right except video tape witnesses pointing to the south flight path; you failed and spew the lies of CIT out of ignorance; why do you spread lies and why can't you do math?

CIT has to call her a liar, as the FDR and RADAR support her! You failed again and posted another CIT witness who supports reality, you call the official flight path as the best you can do is spread moronic lies and apologize for terrorists poorly.

She called CIT creepy, she was right, but she left out stupid on 911 issues, dirt dumb stupid.

You posted a lie, the FDR and RADAR support her account, you lost this one.

2,223 gs of stupid lies from Balsamo and CIT. Can't much worse than 11.2 gs still posted by Balsamo but then he makes up 2,223 gs! How stupid are p4t? 2,223gs worth, not a single pilot from pilots for truth are able to support CIT, save Balsamo, they are his crack team of nut case idea manufacturers, and there is not a thing you can do to fix it due to your lack of knowledge, zero math skills, and zero physics! You have failed to personally support a single CIT path with math! You can't? Why?

Got math.

Does the plane ´tilt´ anywhere in the FDR data within the last 8 seconds of flight? At 540+mph?
Yes, you failed to check before you ask a stupid question. Don't worry CIT does not understand the FDR, just like you. Yes at 483 KIAS, flight 77 tilt turn radius is 32 miles! Good luck math-man! LOL, the tilt she saw gave a turn radius of 32 miles, good going CIT and you, a cult member of the pathetic lie of Noc from CIT, Balsamo's failed investigators. Do you do any math at all? Do you try to use science, or is hearsay and moronic lies your special skill?

You failed to prove I lied, math proves you a liar; next time learn math. Education is the key to avoid fraud...


CIT works like this;
When witnesses clearly debunk the moronic NoC they call the witness a liar and make up lies about why they are not correct!

Paik points south, Paik draws a line south of the CITGO station, CIT tries to ignore the truth and presents a path Paik can't draw with accuracy as the NoC, but the path is impossible due to physics. mudlark can't do physics so mudlark repeats idiotic delusions from CIT.

FDR, DNA, RADAR, make all you post a lie made up out of ignorance.
 
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No lie mudlap, he said Ed was inside when he first saw the plane, THEN he went outside and ducked. Ed clearly states that he was inside when he ducked. Both said he was inside when he saw the plane, but they give different accounts of where he was when he ducked. So is one lying? I'll go with what Ed says since he should know where he was when he ducked.

He said this in YOUR recording? I would really like (if not need) a transcript. The recording is God awful (inside pocket?)

Even in Larson´s interview Shinki clearly states

00:30

Referring to his brother Ed

¨He went out (points outside)¨

In Craig´s interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SeOa6AQyt0

¨..at the last moment my brother jumped out the office (sic) and as soon as he went out he was just scooping down and then at that moment I think the plane flew over..¨

BCR said:
In either case, Ed is nowhere near where CIT promoted his position.

They ´promoted his position´?

Where on this map has Ed Paik circled his position? The map that has been in the public domain for years. The map that I recently posted here before this nonsense clearly stating what the circle represented.

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Paik brought Larson outside to show a clearer perspective of what path the plane took. Just as I´m sure he did with Craig.

Let me ask you this. If this had been such a revelation, why didn´t Russell Pickering, who became as vehemently anti-CIT as any of you here, point this out? Because it is irrelevant and/or HE didn´t realize either.
He was with the first group who interviewed him remember?


I see you have done a lot of NoC v SoC stuff. That is off-topic! The topic is CIT fraud.

Tell your friend Beachy. He brought it up.
60-70% of any thread regarding NOC is off-topic unless you count insults (boring childish ones at that) and repetitive lies. Yourself, Beachnut and a few others being the main instigators.

You say neither, but sorry, it is one of the two or both. I go with both, but definitely fraud since they admit that Shinki told them that Ed was inside when he saw the plane. No mention of that in the Pentacon production, so fraud!

YOu seem to be the only one who claims that Shinki said that his brother was inside.
When did CIT ever claim, given the map I just posted, exactly WHERE Ed Paik was situated??
Are you going to claim that he could see nothing from where he was?
Look at Larson´s own video around the 01:30 mark and tell me had had no clear view. An excellent view of the proposed SOC path which he in no way described.

How can you promote this video even when it further damns the SOC myth?
 
here's where it all falls apart for you muddy

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We have already been over this Smith.
The 128ft wingspan COULD fly this trajectory

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I WAS going to say ´why don´t you ask Paik yourself what he described´ but one of your friends has already confirmed it :)
 
(With apologies to Bill Murray and the movie "Meatballs")

We are the CIT, so pity us!
We're a dork, a fool plus an idiot!
We lead witnesses and quote mine (we're subhuman slime!)
We're the doofus CIT!
 
I won't attempt using software that I have seen so far used only to produce crap for results.



An artistic eye is the first thing to apply when evaluating an over-all graphic result.

To a machine, it makes perfect sense, but, to a Mark I eyeball, your stuff is goofy as all hell. Sometimes it takes a human, preferrably one trained in observing this sort of thing, to tell the machine is i wrong.

You just need to learn that a computer is an elctronic idio savavant.


Perfect memory, not a bloody clue.

Yeah but in the same breath you claim along with others that eyewitness testimony is ´unreliable´ and have stretched just how ´wrong´ they were to surreal limits.

If you seriously believe that the program which made the Physical Sun and Sky images is "crap", you may not want to get into any structure. vehicle or machine designed by AutoCAD, as its the same company.

http://usa.autodesk.com/

Ask Farmer if he has figured out how to make a physical sun and sky yet in his program and that if he disagrees with the images.

Farmer has the same program. Farmer gave Rob Balsamo the program. Farmer couldnt figure out the lighting in the program.
Ask him if he can find someone to run the data provided through this very accurate 3D program and debunk it. Until then, the ´Mark 1 eyeball´ is definitely NOT a viable rebuttal. Sorry.
 
We have already been over this Smith.
The 128ft wingspan COULD fly this trajectory

http://i48.tinypic.com/x4m2vs.jpg

I WAS going to say ´why don´t you ask Paik yourself what he described´ but one of your friends has already confirmed it :)

:dl: not if it flew over his roof! Be a sport muddy and show us what window of the Sheraton it flew through to go over Paik's roof and then fly over Morins head ten feet inside the edge of the annex, And then from there make a loop around the Citgo and fly over the pentagon fireball.
 
(With apologies to Bill Murray and the movie "Meatballs")

We are the CIT, so pity us!
We're a dork, a fool plus an idiot!
We lead witnesses and quote mine (we're subhuman slime!)
We're the doofus CIT!

Is that it? JREF debate at its best.
 
Is that it? JREF debate at its best.
It's not debate. There's nothing to debate. They're morons, their ideas are stupid, and anyone who listens to them is dumber than a bag of rocks.

Only a CITer can't recognize mockery when it's plainly presented to them...
 
:dl: not if it flew over his roof! Be a sport muddy and show us what window of the Sheraton it flew through to go over Paik's roof and then fly over Morins head ten feet inside the edge of the annex, And then from there make a loop around the Citgo and fly over the pentagon fireball.

Where in the image posted above does the plane have to deviate in the slightest?
It is on a direct course for the Navy Annex.

´Smith jumps in again before using the grey matter´

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It's not debate. There's nothing to debate. They're morons, their ideas are stupid, and anyone who listens to them is dumber than a bag of rocks.

Only a CITer can't recognize mockery when it's plainly presented to them...

I have a good sense of humour.
I recognise bores when i see them.
 
Farmer has the same program. Farmer gave Rob Balsamo the program. Farmer couldnt figure out the lighting in the program.
Ask him if he can find someone to run the data provided through this very accurate 3D program and debunk it. Until then, the ´Mark 1 eyeball´ is definitely NOT a viable rebuttal. Sorry.

Wrong, Farmer has figured out the program. However, as demonstrated over-and-over again, it IS NOT a scientifically accurate program for forensic purposes.

For forensics, AutoCAD or Solidworks is required because they are designed for such purposes. Maya is a graphics package for animation and film making. And yes, I can use both AutoCAD and Solidworks. I work the math because it is empirical and objective. Software packages such as Maya are subjective, based on the whims of the animator. For example, the crazy flight path simulations done by P4T. The math does not check with the animation results.

FYI:

I don't base my conclusions on cartoons. I will not waste my time making one to counter P4T. I have better uses for my time. But if Rob wants to send me his complete Maya scene then I'll be happy to go over his values.
 
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Is that it? JREF debate at its best.
You support lies, and the math proves all the paths you have for NoC are not possible. Which is the path? Got RADAR for your path?

You said there was a tilt, what is turn radius of the tilt that the FDR supports? Any math or physics? Did you take any science in school?

The fraud of CIT may be due to incompetence in math, and no training at taking witness statements and interpreting 483 KIAS flight paths. CIT has no training and make up lies which you can't support by showing the math for one of your fake paths.

Remember, all CIT witnesses support Flight 77 impacting the Pentagon and knocking down the lampposts. Now what? More lies from CIT by proxy.

Present you own work for the path you support; include g force and bank angle and speed. Madelyn proves CIT failed, Madelyn called CIT creepy. Madelyn is right. What does CIT do with Madelyn?
 
You´ve reposted my post but have you actually bothered your a*se to read it?

Go to bed Beachnut. Night night.
Another failed attack on CIT.
Try another NOC witness. I´ll be waiting.
 

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