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CIA destroyed videotapes that showed agents torturing suspects

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CIA discloses news that it destroyed interrogation video tapes
CIA director Hayden says the agency did not want to compromise agents' security.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315965,00.html
http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL0794447.html
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/12/water_torture_for_the_cia_1.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1207/p99s01-duts.html

etc etc etc

Bush doesn't recollect being told of CIA tapes

WASHINGTON, Dec 7 (Reuters) - U.S. President George W. Bush has no recollection of being told about CIA interrogation tapes and their destruction before he was briefed by the CIA director on Thursday, the White House said.
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http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnWAT008558.html
 
well surely it can't be proven that they were actually tortured... not anymore anyway..
 
robinson said:
CIA discloses news that it destroyed interrogation video tapes
CIA director Hayden says the agency did not want to compromise agents' security.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315965,00.html
http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL0794447.html
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/12/water_torture_for_the_cia_1.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1207/p99s01-duts.html

etc etc etc

Bush doesn't recollect being told of CIA tapes


http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnWAT008558.html
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ALready a lively discussion on the topic here.
Seems the Sandy Berger/Fawn Hall/Rosemary Woods technique is the preferred method, eh?

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Gottendammit! headscratcher4 needs to learn how to use tags. I searched for a topic first, including a visual look in social issues/current events, and was surprised there wasn't one already. Politics. Meh.
 
Is it really torture when the individual being questioned has some good info that the military/government needs?
 
cloudshipsrule said:
Is it really torture when the individual being questioned has some good info that the military/government needs?
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The UN Convention Against Torture defines torture in Part 1, Article 1:

"For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions"

Under this definition, torturing for information counts as torture.

As for when torture is permitted, Part 1, Article 2, paragraph 2 states:

"No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture."

The US has ratified this convention, giving it the force of law.
 
cloudshipsrule said:
Is it really torture when the individual being questioned has some good info that the military/government needs?
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This one had me in stitches :D

You seem to imply that the only torturing that you find objectionable is gratuitous torturing.

Thanks for making my day.
 
Of course, we don't know if someone has *good* info unless we torture them first.
 
bjb said:
Of course, we don't know if someone has *good* info unless we torture them first.
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Oh, I see! Torture the bastards until they come up with some good info, that way the torturing will be justified!

That's a bit like the principle of the witch hunts.
 
brumsen said:
Oh, I see! Torture the bastards until they come up with some good info, that way the torturing will be justified!

That's a bit like the principle of the witch hunts.
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I disagree.

It is exactly like the principle of the witch hunts.
 
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department said on Wednesday it will launch a criminal investigation into the CIA's destruction of videotapes depicting the harsh interrogation of terrorism suspects.

The CIA last month disclosed that it had destroyed in 2005 hundreds of hours of tapes from the interrogations of two al Qaeda suspects, prompting an outcry from Democrats, human rights activists and some legal experts.

The interrogations, which took place in 2002, were believed to have included a form of simulated drowning known as waterboarding, condemned internationally as torture.

President George W. Bush has said the United States does not torture but has declined to be specific about interrogation methods.
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http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...1Z_01_WAT008613_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-CIA.xml
 
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