Churchill and the Holocaust

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Kthulhut Fhtagn said:
'... the most bestial, the most squalid and the most senseless of all their offences, namely, the mass deportation of Jews from France, with the pitiful horrors attendant upon the calculated and final scattering of families. This tragedy fills me with astonishment as well as with indignation, and it illustrates as nothing else can the utter degradation of the Nazi nature and theme, and degradation of all who lend themselves to its unnatural and perverted passions.'

ETA: 'None has suffered more cruelly than the Jew the unspeakable evils wrought upon the bodies and spirits of men by Hitler and his vile regime. The Jew bore the brunt of the Nazi's first onslaught upon the citadels of freedom and human dignity. He has borne and continued to bear a burden that might have seen beyond endurance. He has not allowed it to break his spirit; he has never lost the will to resist. Assuredly in the day of victory the Jew's suffering and his part in the struggle will not be forgotten.'
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Please date the above Churchill quotes.
 
I read the BBC article. It seems to be mostly about Jews being moved to deportation camps. Nothing here on genocide or exterminations. In fact, I do not remember Churchill at any time using those words. Churchill seemed only outraged about how Jews were deprived of their rights. Mass murder, seems I missed that.
 
MaGZ said:
I read the BBC article. It seems to be mostly about Jews being moved to deportation camps. Nothing here on genocide or exterminations. In fact, I do not remember Churchill at any time using those words. Churchill seemed only outraged about how Jews were deprived of their rights. Mass murder, seems I missed that.
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I suppose then you didn't read the final quote expressing his outrage at the discovery of the concentration camps.
 
Kthulhut Fhtagn said:
I suppose then you didn't read the final quote expressing his outrage at the discovery of the concentration camps.
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Everyone knew there were concentration camps. That was where first the political prisoners, then the criminals, then the Jews, Roma etc. were sent during the war. Just like the way we treated Japanese, Germans and Italians in this country during the war.

Eisenhower enters the camps and finds people dying of starvation and typhus. No genocide or mass extermination here, just death as a consequence of war.
 
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MaGZ said:
Everyone knew there were concentration camps. That was where first the political prisoners, then the criminals, then the Jews, Roma etc. were sent during the war. Just like the way we treated Japanese, Germans and Italians in this country during the war.

Eisenhower enters the camps and finds people dying of starvation and typhus. No genocide or mass extermination here, just death as a consequence of war.
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Duringt the war, many people did not know what was really happening there and it took quite some time for the truth to sink in. I know this from my relatives. The dominant fear was that they were labour camps, but that you could survive, provided you were strong and worked hard. There were those who knew the truth, but often they were not believed, either because it was too horrible to fathom or because the victims themselves just could not accept that the trains led them to a certain death.
All kinds of explanations were made up, e.g. to explain why children were taken away as well. This was supposed to be because of their small and nimble fingers, which enabeled them to perform specialist tasks that grow-ups couldn't.
Of course people were absolutely terrified, but it took quite some time, sometimes even until after the war, for the real horror of gas chambers where people were gassed by the millions, to sink in.
It must be taken into account that we have heard about in school many times, saw it on tv, read about in the newspapers. But in those days it was something so horrible, performed by a nation that had generally been considered civilised and cultured, that many people, including my Jewish relatives, simply could not adjust their mind to it.
 
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MaGZ said:
I read the BBC article. It seems to be mostly about Jews being moved to deportation camps. Nothing here on genocide or exterminations. In fact, I do not remember Churchill at any time using those words. Churchill seemed only outraged about how Jews were deprived of their rights. Mass murder, seems I missed that.
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We all know you didn't look particularly hard. Did you even get to page 3?

"There is no doubt this is the most horrible crime ever committed in the whole history of the world, and it has been done by scientific machinery by nominally civilised men in the name of a great State and one of the leading races of Europe. It is quite clear that all concerned in this crime who may fall into our hands, including the people who only obeyed orders by carrying out the butcheries, should be put to death after their association with the murders has been proved."

Of course, you may say, Churchill could have been claiming that the Jews were simply forced to eat non-kosher meat. How about:

"I like the idea of the Jews trying to get the murderers of their fellow countrymen in Central Europe, and I think it would give a great deal of satisfaction to the United States."

The word "murderers" is rather a tricky one to misinterpret, don't you think? And in case you had any doubts, Germany is in Central Europe.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
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The word "murderers" is rather a tricky one to misinterpret, don't you think? And in case you had any doubts, Germany is in Central Europe.

Dave
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Aww, come on, we all know that the Nazis had occupied much of Europe at the time, including all of Central Europe except Switzerland at the time. Therefore it is abundantly clear in the minds of all anti-semitic scum around here that Churchill wasn´t referring to anything the Nazis had done at all.

Or something like that, at any rate. I always get a bad headache when I try to think like a Nazi worshipper.
 
I'm waiting for MaGZ or Mondial to claim that, since the Allies never used their strategic bomber forces to do anything about the concentration camps, that must be evidence that there was no mass, systematic extermination of prisoners taking place in them...
 
MaGZ said:
Everyone knew there were concentration camps. That was where first the political prisoners, then the criminals, then the Jews, Roma etc. were sent during the war. Just like the way we treated Japanese, Germans and Italians in this country during the war.

Eisenhower enters the camps and finds people dying of starvation and typhus. No genocide or mass extermination here, just death as a consequence of war.
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Starvation and disease? Seems to me either way the Nazis are guilty of killing these people by not providing them the basic human care.

You lose both ways.
 
MaGZ said:
Everyone knew there were concentration camps. That was where first the political prisoners, then the criminals, then the Jews, Roma etc. were sent during the war. Just like the way we treated Japanese, Germans and Italians in this country during the war.

Eisenhower enters the camps and finds people dying of starvation and typhus. No genocide or mass extermination here, just death as a consequence of war.
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And I don't think what we did with the Japanese, Germans, and Italians were right either but we treated them much better than the Germans treated their prisoners.

And who is responsible for that? Nazi worshippers today sit back and point to how it was the allies who caused the typhus and starvation by bombing the railroads that allowed food and medicine to reach the camps. Of course; that doesn't explain why the white allied POW's were treated so much better than their black and Jewish counter-parts. Or better than the Soviet POWs. I've yet to hear the deniers explain why white allied POW's had such a low death-rate in camps compared to the Jews, Communists, and other so-called "undesireables". Could it be that the Nazis had the medicine and food to care for all of the prisoners in the best possible situation but simply deemed "non-Aryans" as expendable and gave them little-to-no food or medicine?
 
Kthulhut Fhtagn said:
Nazi worshippers today sit back and point to how it was the allies who caused the typhus and starvation by bombing the railroads that allowed food and medicine to reach the camps.
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While, at the same time, claiming that the failure of the Allies to bomb the railways leading to the camps is evidence that we knew there was nothing bad going on there. "Heads I win, tails you lose" is a standard conspiracist tactic, but in this case the Holocaust deniers also insist that the coin fell both heads and tails at the same time.

Dave
 
Why does Magz care what Churchill said? The man (Churchill, I mean) played as great a role as anyone in the destruction of Magz's dreams and desires.

Honestly, Magz.
 
aggle-rithm said:
And yet Eisenhower, who was THERE and witnessed the death camps firsthand, made the extraordinary prediction that some day, idiots would claim the Holocaust had never happened. He made sure there were as many witnesses as possible to the fruits of Nazi labors by marching German civilians through the camps and making them bury the dead.
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Well then why didn't Eisenhower write about the "genocide of Jews" in his book CRUSADE IN EUROPE which came out in the late 1950's?
 
abenja1 said:
Mondial... I mean Idiot.... No sorry Mondial. God the words are interchangeable. Churchill had this to say in a radio broadcast in 1941:

"'None has suffered more cruelly than the Jew the unspeakable evils wrought upon the bodies and spirits of men by Hitler and his vile regime. The Jew bore the brunt of the Nazi's first onslaught upon the citadels of freedom and human dignity. He has borne and continued to bear a burden that might have seen beyond endurance. He has not allowed it to break his spirit; he has never lost the will to resist. Assuredly in the day of victory the Jew's suffering and his part in the struggle will not be forgotten.'

For those that are intellecutally capable, obviously which Mr. Mondial is not, here is the whole the article:http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/genocide/churchill_holocaust_01.shtml
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You are the idiot. His 6 volumes were written after the war and long after that broadcast.
 
Mondial,
My grandfather fought in World War II, and he also never once mentioned to me the decimation of the Jews in Europe.
He also never mentioned to me the victory of the Allied Forces.
He was very old, but surely these things should have been the things he told me...
Damn, my grandfather proves that the Holocoust never happened.
He also proves that the Allies never won.
(here Mondial climaxes)
 
Mondial said:
Well then why didn't Eisenhower write about the "genocide of Jews" in his book CRUSADE IN EUROPE which came out in the late 1950's?
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Because the book is his memoirs, and he didn't personally witness the Holocaust?
 
Mondial please tell us more about your admiration of the scourge of Dresden AKA Winston Churchill.
 
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