Christophera's Other Conspiracy

[Zep]

May I suggest: Please don't encourage ChristopherA by posting any more in this thread, folks.

Thank you kindly.

 

[SezMe]

Thanks, Zep. I want to repeat my previous post. I have done some additional research on Christophera and I am convinced that he is quite a troubled person. Discussions such as this one can have no productive effect and only continue to fuel his paranoia. Please just leave him alone and let this thread gracefully die.

I would hope the same would happen with Chris' other threads as well.

 

[Christophera]

Thanks, Zep. I want to repeat my previous post. I have done some additional research on Christophera and I am convinced that he is quite a troubled person. Discussions such as this one can have no productive effect and only continue to fuel his paranoia. Please just leave him alone and let this thread gracefully die.

I would hope the same would happen with Chris' other threads as well.

Are you sure you are not hoping more county residents die?

Sezme, you should try using real information about your society to make your decisions and announcements. Such as the basic lawlessness that your local government enjoys, apparently with your approval.

Here they have enjoyed a failure to appear on subpoena.

Here is my meeting confirmation of a meeting with the director of the Santa Barbara County Mental Health Department and statement of intent to provide the response of the State Mental Health Departments response to their request to the State for permission to administer an experimental treatment I show I work for a lawfull and rightful society. Do you see something wrong with this?


Concerning the promise of the senior director of the mental health depatment and the defacto approval of an experimental treatment that would have saved at least 20 lives in the last 5 years mentioned in the last paragraph, I use the Freedom of Information Act to get the response from the State Mental Health Department as promised in the letter from the County Mental Health Department below, no response.

But all that seems okay to you and you work to put me down for trying get lawful performance and protect lives. This is my home town and I should think you would appreciate the fact that locals actually know more about what is happening than newcomers and work with them to make it a better place instead of putting their efforts down.

Yes, I'm troubled that my fellow Americans accept lawlessness from government and the needless deaths of their countrypeople. Sad day indeed.

 

[Z]

So what are you going to do about it, Chris?

And what good have you actually done all these years?

 

[Christophera]

So what are you going to do about it, Chris?

And what good have you actually done all these years?

Because of the failure of good people who do nothing while I TRY, not a great deal.

I've filed 5 Federal lawsuits in attempts to gain lawful perfomance which will protect lives, but it appears that all this extreme murderous behavior is okay with you, others have no problem, (this is how 8 were killed in the postal shootings after 4 were run over by Attias) as well and I do not consider this behavior normal by any measure.

Many people have the impression that the experts know everything and governemt is full of them and they will take care of everything, so therefore they can sit in front of the TV and happily pretend everything is just fine.

I get the distinct impression you would prefer I stop trying and just accept it all and remain comfortable and removed as you do. Which of course would tend to make your neglect look normal.


Currently Federal case cv 06-2085 filed by myself, two grand mothers and a mother is in appeal with the Ninth Circuit. In that period (about 2 months back) one of the grandmothers daughters in law was found decomposing in the bushes behind a local shopping center, dead from alcohol poisoning.

Exactly the kind of thing we were trying to prevent by filing the lawsuit for "Specific Performance" to compel the County to follow through with the request to the State Mental Health Department and administer the experimental treatment if the state will give permission.

Since the Senior Director of the Alcohol, Drug and Mental Health Services was "carrying my request forward", it is basically approved and it would be expected that the state would provide permission. Whereupon my efforts would get quite a bit "done".

What have you ever done to help people and protect lives directly with legal or political action?

 

[Z]

You filed lawsuits. Uh-huh.

And are wanting some kind of experimental treatment done to people - what, against their will?

Has this treatment been tested in any way yet?

I don't waste time with legal or political garbage. I work directly at the source of the problem. I've led a half-dozen kids away from drug use or street life. I've gotten one guy back on his feet, working and paying his bills. I've given coats and food and clothes to the homeless, toys to needy kids, etc. I donate to medical research whenever possible. I also served ten years as a soldier, protecting the country through military action.

Meanwhile, I've also been working on earning my degree, and combatting ignorance and stupidity, such as the sort generated by you on a daily basis.

So, really, what have you ever done that actually has helped anyone so far?

 

[SezMe]

zaay, stick a cork in it, will ya?

 

[Z]

Thanks, Zep. I want to repeat my previous post. I have done some additional research on Christophera and I am convinced that he is quite a troubled person. Discussions such as this one can have no productive effect and only continue to fuel his paranoia. Please just leave him alone and let this thread gracefully die.

I would hope the same would happen with Chris' other threads as well.

Apologies. Let me see if I have a cork....

 

[Christophera]

You filed lawsuits. Uh-huh.

And are wanting some kind of experimental treatment done to people - what, against their will?

Has this treatment been tested in any way yet?

I don't waste time with legal or political garbage. I work directly at the source of the problem. I've led a half-dozen kids away from drug use or street life. I've gotten one guy back on his feet, working and paying his bills. I've given coats and food and clothes to the homeless, toys to needy kids, etc. I donate to medical research whenever possible. I also served ten years as a soldier, protecting the country through military action.

Meanwhile, I've also been working on earning my degree, and combatting ignorance and stupidity, such as the sort generated by you on a daily basis.

So, really, what have you ever done that actually has helped anyone so far?

That's good. I was sort of under the impression you just put people down that worked for mass change benefitting millions.

I've probably helped 2 dozen kids stay away from hard drugs and alchohol then find employment that suits them. I teach parents how to teach their children the alphabet at age 1.5 years like I taught my son. I teach them how to help their kids to enjoy learning.

Currently I'm trying to save the lives of 2 of the coplaintiffs daughters in the federal lawsuit. I've been successful at getting them to curb their abuse of phamacuticals and avoid suicide and to admit themselves to a hospital for detox.

One is ready to hit the streets looking for pills again, her mother was found decomposing behind a shopping center 2 months ago from alcohol poisoning, she's depressed beyong description. Her entire family is drunk and destroying themselves. The other, her cousin is listening but the follow up badly needs the experimental treatment or she will probably return.

The experimental treatment has been tried to a degree, never with enough simple technology to reach even 1/4 of its potential, and it's results were profound even at that limited level. The confirmation of a meeting with the senior director of the Santa Barbara County Mental Health Department and chief medical doctor shows that they understand how effective it will be as they carry my requst forward.

However, the local government prefers an out of control population which needs control and incarceration so they will not follow laws such as California health and Saftey Code 1370.4 which the director of the mental heath department was beginning to follow and their superiors stopped. When I used the Freedom of Information Act to get the response from the State Mental Health Department as promised in the letter from the County Mental Health Department below, there was no response.

So because of things like that and the general apathy or confusion of the population as generated by media not much major action has been possible. Then there is the outright lawlessness by the local municipality which failed to appear on subpoena in a civil action aimed at procuring court records that would show that the unconscious mind has nearly absolute control over us. The civil action was directed at obtaining documents that would show this treatment WILL be very effective at treating all sorts of behavioral/mental problems. The documents were seen in the counties possesion one year before and I presented a declaration from a person who saw the subpoenaed records in the law library at the county jail; so I have not been able to do nearly as many of the positive things I've tried to get done.

Do you like lawless government or do you just not care what gov does?

 

[Z]

The latter. Governments have been corrupt since day one. Who cares?

So what's this 'experimental treatment' you're on about?

And what medical degrees do you have to certify that you know what you're talking about?

If I were in the court system in Cali, looking at your data, I'd laugh you out of court. They've been extremely tolerant of you so far, Chris.

One day, though, you might just find yourself committed. Of course, that would be for the best, but I doubt you'd understand that.

BTW - what evidence do you have that the 'unconscious' mind controls people? This is honest curiousity Chris.

 

[Christophera]

If I were in the court system in Cali, looking at your data, I'd laugh you out of court. They've been extremely tolerant of you so far, Chris.

Tolerant? I guess I should expect this from a foreigner. Apparently you are like the courts and cannot recognize, follow or see need to uphold laws.

One day, though, you might just find yourself committed. Of course, that would be for the best, but I doubt you'd understand that.

I think not. The psychological situation is falling apart too rapidly around me. My knowledge will soon be recognized, too many people are suffering and need effective treatments.

Western society and governmetn is controlled by the mores of the church, as well as you, and your inability to acknowledge that denial is a mode of operaton facilitating secret control, is an example.

Obviously you grew up accepting that life consists of what meets the eye.

The latter. Governments have been corrupt since day one. Who cares?

Many responsible people do and dislike it intensely. It is un American to tolerate such. You are not so this is understandable.

BTW - what evidence do you have that the 'unconscious' mind controls people? This is honest curiousity Chris.

Have you ever heard of deep memory?

Where do you think the other personalities of a multiple personality shizoid is when its not operating the conscious state?

Have you ever know some one was lying just because of the experssion on their face or in their eyes? WHy is that?

Do you know what you are doing with your mind when you are sleeping? If you do not how can you be sure that what ever is happening with it is being done by you?

When a person is hypnotised to a depth of somnambulism and undergoes hyperamnesia, where are the memories once they emerge from the trance?

Where are obsession and fixations located?

Where are sexual drives located?

Where are phobias and fears located?

The answeres to thise questions just expose the tip of the iceberg of the amount of control over us our unconscious has

So what's this 'experimental treatment' you're on about?

it consists of hypnosis augmented with nitrous oxide. Did you not read the letter from the Director of Mental Health basically approving of the treatment?

And what medical degrees do you have to certify that you know what you're talking about?

I've tested those with degrees and they've failed.

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From what I've seen, very few with degrees will even begin to use what they know. It becomes a club that shares knowledege of what to deny to keep secrets safe.

What is unconscious is better than a secret.

 

[Zep]

PLEASE, folks. You're just aggravating Chris's meds...

 

[Bell]

Oh well...

Here's a picture of a toilet trained cat...

 

[Z]

Tolerant? I guess I should expect this from a foreigner. Apparently you are like the courts and cannot recognize, follow or see need to uphold laws.

Foreigner?

Born in Phoenix, AZ. Seventh-generation American from German descent on one bloodline, native-American (Chiricahua Apache) on another. Plus a smattering of fourth-generation American from Irish descent, fifth-generation American from English, and at least fourth-generation American from mixed and unknown descent mixed in here and there.

I lived for one year in South Korea.

Otherwise, I'm American through and through.

Foreigner?

Is this like your claim that I was a woman?

I think not. The psychological situation is falling apart too rapidly around me. My knowledge will soon be recognized, too many people are suffering and need effective treatments.

Like you.

Western society and governmetn is controlled by the mores of the church

Which church is that, Chris? With over 34,000 denominations of Christianity alone, you really ought to specify.

On that note, I won't disagree that Western society and government are largely influenced by the Christian faith in general - not surprising, given that most of Western society and government are largely influenced by Christian voters and politicians.

But that's a paradigm that's been improving over the years.

as well as you,

Oh, right. A bisexual, polyamorous, Socialist-mindset Pagan priest is being controlled by Church mores. Sure.

and your inability to acknowledge that denial is a mode of operaton facilitating secret control, is an example.

Well, you're wrong there, too. I can completely acknowledge that denial is a mode of operation facilitating secret control. But until that secret control can be demonstrably proven, there's no point claiming it exists.

I don't deny there are forms of 'secret control' happening here and there around the planet. It's just not at all like you and Alex Jones seems to think it is.

Obviously you grew up accepting that life consists of what meets the eye.

Obviously.

OK, I'm the guy who believes in Dragons, Faeries, and intelligent blond women; tell me again what I obviously grew up accepting?

Many responsible people do and dislike it intensely. It is un American to tolerate such. You are not so this is understandable.

LOL!

Look around, Choji-boy. Americans tolerate a crapload of stuff to stay comfortable. Besides, a true American understands that, no matter how bad things are now, it can all change in four years.

You can learn to tolerate quite a bit when you know you can hope for change in so short a time.

Have you ever heard of deep memory?

As related to oscilloscopes, or as related to the deeply woo-transcendental-spiritual concepts put forth by Jung, et. al? I presume the latter.

There's a lot of controversy, even among woos, as to the actual attributes of 'deep memory'.

Where do you think the other personalities of a multiple personality shizoid is when its not operating the conscious state?

Shizoid? He's a poster at RPGNet... ??

Oh, you mean Schizoid?

Don't know. I'm not a psychologist/psychiatrist/etc.

Have you ever know some one was lying just because of the experssion on their face or in their eyes? WHy is that?

It's called body language. We're all quite familiar with its uses and how it works.

Do you know what you are doing with your mind when you are sleeping?

As much as I do when I'm awake. I'm a compulsive lucid dreamer and dream controller. I'm quite aware of what happens in the mind during sleep.

If you do not how can you be sure that what ever is happening with it is being done by you?

I do, but I'll humour your question.

During sleep, all inputs are tuned down. Not turned off, mind you, but tuned down. Since by 'me' I refer to the total being - including all parts of the brain - then everything done to me by the brain is done by me - unless someone is kneeling near my bed, whispering in my ear.

When a person is hypnotised to a depth of somnambulism and undergoes hyperamnesia, where are the memories once they emerge from the trance?

I have my doubts about hypnotism. I am myself immune to hypnotism, as has been my bloodline for at least four generations, but I have hypnotised another person before.

However, I've never seen a person hypnotised to sleepwalk before - that's a new one on me. I thought the general consensus among the scientific community was that hypnotic states that included major movement like this were fraudulent, rather than actual hypnotic states? I don't know.

As for hyperamnesia, the notion of 'deep recall' or increased memory is hardly unknown. Those memories remain where they've always been - stored in the memory core and retrievable, if you know how to get them.

Where are obsession and fixations located?

In your mind.



Sorry, couldn't resist.

The basal ganglia and frontal lobes.

Where are sexual drives located?

The hypothalamus.

Where are phobias and fears located?

The Amygdala.

The answeres to thise questions just expose the tip of the iceberg of the amount of control over us our unconscious has

But didn't address my question at all: what evidence do you have that the 'unconscious' mind controls people?

For that matter, given the vast controversy surrounding the unconscious mind, which theory of unconsciousness do you subscribe to?

Just some minor notes about the above tripe:

The conscious mind can force the unconscious to relinquish information too, if trained properly. The conscious mind can override sexual drives, fears, obsessions, anger, etc. A well-trained conscious mind can almost completely override any and all emotional reactions, in fact. By interesting coincidence, a well-trained conscious mind can also gather facts and conduct logical analysis, reach proper conclusions, and differentiate between good evidence and poor.

Since you seem unable to do this, I am guessing your conscious mind is poorly trained.

it consists of hypnosis augmented with nitrous oxide. Did you not read the letter from the Director of Mental Health basically approving of the treatment?

Read it - I had hoped I misread it.

So - a mild euphoric and aphrodisiac combined with hypnosis to treat mental disorders.

What's the theory behind this?

Why not just hypnosis? What does the nitrous oxide do for the process?

OK, forget the questions: who came up with this treatment, and is there a paper I could read? Thanks.

ETA: Why does it surprise you that they're not willing to try experimental treatments on patients, when the treatments are untested?

There are procedures for these sorts of things, Chris. This isn't Nazi Germany; our government just doesn't try any old experimental treatment any time they want.

You should have approached the military for that sort of thing.

I've tested those with degrees and they've failed.

Why is it anyone with qualifications who disagrees with you is automatically wrong? Have you ever, ever considered that if someone qualified in a certain field disagrees with you, that YOU might be wrong?

Nevertheless - your images don't seem to show any failing on the part of degreed medical practicioners. In fact, I'm not sure what they are supposed to show.

From what I've seen, very few with degrees will even begin to use what they know. It becomes a club that shares knowledege of what to deny to keep secrets safe.

From what you've seen. In other words, the experts disagree with your amateur and deluded notions, so they MUST be hiding something.

Yeah.

What is unconscious is better than a secret.

I can't parse this value judgement. It's nonsensical.

 

[valis]

Santa Barbara is not particularly special, you know.

Then why did they name a prime time soap opera after it?

 

[Z]

Then why did they name a prime time soap opera after it?

So dumb people would have something to watch, too.

 

[Loss Leader]

I guess I should expect this from a foreigner. Apparently you are like the courts and cannot recognize, follow or see need to uphold laws.

As an officer of the courts, I took an oath to support and defend the laws of New York and the United States. I take that oath very seriously and have spent my entire professional life helping my clients to receive justice under the law.

The country is filled with good people doing the best they can to uphold a just system. People want to live in a fair and supportive nation and they work hard to realize that goal. One of your problems, Chris, is that you believe you are the only one. You are not. The vast majority of the people around you are honest, hard-working, accountable and satisfied with the results of their efforts. You should take some comfort in how happy most of us are in the world we helped to build.

 

[Zep]

Gentlefolk, I feel I have to insist again....

While I, too, often feel compelled to respond to Chris's warped drivel, please note this most salient point: CHRIS HAS MENTAL ISSUES! And I mean that in a genuine clinical sense. So engaging him in ongoing conversation and debate is not going to result in a modification of his stance, and only serves to feed his off-balance situation. He needs genuine professional help, if he is not already receiving it.

If he is currently being managed professionally, I suggest we leave his outcomes to the professionals and not try to compromise things.

If he is not, he certainly needs to consider assessment seriously.

And if he isn't mentally unstable, he's a troll.

In all the above cases, I would imagine encouraging his fantasies by responding would be totally detrimental.

My 2c, of course.

 

[Christophera]

Gentlefolk, I feel I have to insist again....

While I, too, often feel compelled to respond to Chris's warped drivel, please note this most salient point: CHRIS HAS MENTAL ISSUES! And I mean that in a genuine clinical sense. So engaging him in ongoing conversation and debate is not going to result in a modification of his stance, and only serves to feed his off-balance situation. He needs genuine professional help, if he is not already receiving it.

If he is currently being managed professionally, I suggest we leave his outcomes to the professionals and not try to compromise things.

If he is not, he certainly needs to consider assessment seriously.

And if he isn't mentally unstable, he's a troll.

In all the above cases, I would imagine encouraging his fantasies by responding would be totally detrimental.

My 2c, of course.

As if you would know. You seem to have a very limited view of the human mind. As if we already know everything about it.

Have you ever tested the authorities of psychology to see if they are as competent as you think they are?

I have, guess what? I have tested them. They've deceived you. They are less competent now than they were 45 years ago.



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[Loss Leader]

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All that this letter says is that your inquiry has been forwarded to someone. It does not indicate anything substantive whatsoever. Write to the White House to tell them it's your birthday, I guarantee you'll get a letter from George W. Bush. It doesn't mean anything.