Christopher Hitchens- atheist or anti-theist?

[Aepervius]

There is a good reason such expression like "le denier du cult" still exists (hint : that was the obole given to church or parish).

Whereas it is true that cult/sect has slightly taken a pejorative term for small group of weird people mostly being scammed by a few leader, the generic meaning is STILL a general observance of worship or ritual. So yeah all mainstream religious -ism are basically cult.

 

[Aepervius]

Tell me the differance between a religion, a cult and a sect.

Cult and Sect have multiple definition. One of sect is a sub group of a religion distinguishable by its idea or ritual or worship (think of shiite and sunite, or I would wagger catholocism and prostetantism). Cult is simply worship of a religion. I don't think I need to define religion to you.

So for example we have :
* Islamism (religion)
* sunite (sect)
* Islam (cult)

Or

* Chrtistianism (religion)
* Catholicism (sect)
* Christian (cult)

naturally you have also the other definition of cult which is a dangerous belief and/or group of individual.

* Sun sect, the one which mass suicided (was it in toronto) is such an example

Often people think of the second definition instead of the first but both are valid.

 

[David Henson]

There is a good reason such expression like "le denier du cult" still exists (hint : that was the obole given to church or parish).

Whereas it is true that cult/sect has slightly taken a pejorative term for small group of weird people mostly being scammed by a few leader, the generic meaning is STILL a general observance of worship or ritual. So yeah all mainstream religious -ism are basically cult.

Excellent point. Awesome avatar.

 

[David Henson]

Cult and Sect have multiple definition. One of sect is a sub group of a religion distinguishable by its idea or ritual or worship (think of shiite and sunite, or I would wagger catholocism and prostetantism). Cult is simply worship of a religion. I don't think I need to define religion to you.

So for example we have :
* Islamism (religion)
* sunite (sect)
* Islam (cult)

Or

* Chrtistianism (religion)
* Catholicism (sect)
* Christian (cult)

naturally you have also the other definition of cult which is a dangerous belief and/or group of individual.

* Sun sect, the one which mass suicided (was it in toronto) is such an example

Often people think of the second definition instead of the first but both are valid.

Yes! Everyone look at this. An excellent point.

What about a sect. Uh . . . a lot of the time I sort of throw these sorts of objections . . . questions, if you like, to the opposition. Like a master tossing a morsel to the dregs.

And then every once in a while someone like you comes along and says . . .alright. Lets have a look at this.

Oh, sure . . . it doesn't happen often enough and when it does it escapes the mongerals.

Sect. They . . .(who are they) called the Christians a sect. It doesn't matter. Really.

Common usage.

 

[Brainache]

Yeah, and maybe I would want to join the Catholic church, to.

You think I want to join your organization?

[sigh] A waste of time.

Not my organisation, I've never been in a cult, but you appear to be pretty firmly entrenched in yours.

 

[Tinfoil Hater]

[Laughs]

Duh! Yeah, they are synonymous. A cult is only used typically as an indication of being a religion in oppisition to the one you subscribe to. It's like Pagan.

The Christians were pagan (meaning outside of) the Romans and the Romans were pagan (meaning outside of) the Christians.

It depends upon what side of the word you are on. Unless you don't know what the hell you are talking about and then, well, oddly enough, it depends upon who you agree with . . .

Good job! You fit right in with everyone else. Does it really matter if we call you Griffendorf or something else?

Think about it.

I have no use for religion or sympathy for religious people. I concider them detached from reality. Suggesting that one god is better than a different god is absurd.

 

[TraneWreck]

Oh puhleese. Religion provides none of those things. People who have inspiration and hope may channel those beliefs through a religion. But the religion is not responsible for those things.

I agree, I was just giving an example of someone who is an atheist, but not anti-theist. The importance of hope, faith...etc. will be cited as reasons why religion and religious belief are important even if the speaker doesn't buy in.

Karl Rove holds this view, which alone should be enough to see the silliness of it, but there are weak-kneed atheists all over the place.

 

[Iconoclast08]

... Uh . . . a lot of the time I sort of throw these sorts of objections . . . questions, if you like, to the opposition. Like a master tossing a morsel to the dregs.

...

Oh, sure . . . it doesn't happen often enough and when it does it escapes the mongerals.

How Christ-like of you.

 

[Iconoclast08]

... mongerals [sic] ...

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

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