Christians: simple question about the bible

saizai said:
That's fine. But I'm asking you whether you consider all the rest of the bible (or NT at least, if you say the OT doesn't apply to you) to be morally perfect.

You don't get to have it both ways. Either it's all good, or it's not perfect. If it's not perfect then you can hardly say that we should use it as an objective moral code, because obviously you're overriding it with some sort of external morality.
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In the scriptures we have many examples to of good and evil ,so why wouldn't that be a good thing to reference for the issues on morality?

My favorite reference is like what happened to King David for his sin with Bathsheba. He lost his first child with her as punishment. God still forgave him after he repented, but not all the consequenses of his actions were removed.
He also never had rest from the sword because of his actions.
 
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Why would God kill an innocent child for the sins of its father?

Oh, right. He's psychotic.
 
HeyLeroy said:
Why punish the child? Doesn't that seem cruel?
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Perhaps it does, but God's corrections are for our good ultimately. Does a father reward a child for bad behavior? No most dads give their kids a swat and send them to bed. But David's sin was serious enough that God felt it was nedded to take the first born of David and Bathsheba.

Hey it's not all bad they had a second son King Solomon who God blessed in many ways. Ya it kind of sucks for the first child that was not allowed to live in this life time, but that's what eternity is for. We will see our loved ones again.

Did you know that all the little ones souls are automatically saved? People all are responsible after a certain age not to reject Christ, but babies and small children are already in heaven with the Lord when they die.

The thing that this discussion reminds me most of is that we really ought not to forget each day that life is truely a gift from God. Lord help us all not to take it for granted!
 
kurious_kathy said:
Hey it's not all bad they had a second son King Solomon who God blessed in many ways. Ya it kind of sucks for the first child that was not allowed to live in this life time, but that's what eternity is for. We will see our loved ones again.

Did you know that all the little ones souls are automatically saved? People all are responsible after a certain age not to reject Christ, but babies and small children are already in heaven with the Lord when they die.
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So killing isn't bad at all, especially when it comes to babies.

Oh yes, biblical morals are so superior!
 
Ryokan said:
So killing isn't bad at all, especially when it comes to babies.

Oh yes, biblical morals are so superior!
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Well I can certainly understand someone not wanting to embrace death, but the reality is that we all will. Wages of sin is death. Like it or not, nobody escapes a physical death. But the good news is that people can escape the second death by accepting God's gift of salvation.
 
kurious_kathy said:
But David's sin was serious enough that God felt it was nedded to take the first born of David and Bathsheba.
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Would you say then that in general, it is acceptable to punish a person by injuring or killing their children?

E.g. suppose we catch a serial killer rapist bankrobber atheist. He has a son whom he loves and protects.

Can we execute the son as punishment?
 
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So, it is OK with your god with the killing children that has happened in the last few weeks, just in this country alone, because they go straight to heaven, with no judgment, geee if I had known that I would have had someone kill me when I was young, oh well.:rolleyes:

Paul

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God just loves that you speak for him, it takes a load of his mind.
 
kurious_kathy said:
Acknowleging the Ten Commandments for instance. It's stil a good moral thing to know we should not kill, covet, steal, take Gods name in vain, respect mom and dad, tell the truth, and be content with what we have, don't you agree with these morals? I do and they go back to the beginning.
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So I take it that you consider it immoral to work on the Sabbath.
 
Come on, you know that they cherry-pick the bible, and isn't it funny that what they do pick is just like how they think god is, just like god comes right out of their head, which it does. So like I have asked soooo many times, which god, because no matter who you talk to, there is always something different about each person’s idea of god.


Paul

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