Christianity is a grotesque blight!

[Leumas]

You just don't get it do you? You are railing against a principle that was abandoned 300 years ago,

No you are the one who does not get that your statement is not true. (and this)

pretending... That's either willfully blind or dishonest.

Someone said I was off base for comparing your position to Stalin.

Wayyyyyyy ... much like the Zombified Jesus hopping onto a cloud and flying up up and awayyyyyy to outer space.... that is how far off base you are.

But of course... here comes the doubling down...

I think the only difference is you don't have the opportunity to follow through. Today's hateful rhetoric is tomorrow's atrocious acts.

But Christianity's yesterday's atrocious acts and today's heinous machinations are fine with you of course...

Written words, exposing the absurdity of the hoax of Christianity... in your reckoning are just as good as future crimes... but

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Do you "enjoy" the heritage of barbequing witches and heretics and blasphemers?

... that's all in the past. Of more concern to me now are all the deniers who will be responsible for the future deaths of millions - because they value their precious wealth more.

You do not worry about wealthy Christian corporations machinating to make the world a theocracy for Jesus and also to precipitate Jesus coming back to wring the blood out of most people into knee-deep lakes?

 

[Leumas]

Yes, like Richard Dawkins I am a 'cultural Christian'. In fact this last Christmas was the first time in 50 years that I set up a Christmas tree with presents under it. Previously I would just play Christmas carols but this time I decided to go all in. The LED lights you can get these days are awesome. I strung them around the room so I can see at night without turning the lights on. They are solar powered and use no electricity.

My friend's mother died the other day. She had a degenerative disease that caused her muscles to lock up, eventually having to be force fed for the last 6 months of her life. Imagine being in that situation. She had a strong faith in God to help her through. I don't. As I get older I wonder how I would deal with something like that.

My mother died of skin cancer at age 49, and watching her die was hard. Then my father got dementia and gradually lost his memory. That was harder. My evil stepmother got power of attorney and took all his money, then moved him around various retirement homes so he never got settled. I tried to stop it but she called the cops and they sided with her (that was a bad day). Eventually he died of starvation as the home he was in didn't care for him properly.

I don't blame people for wanting something to believe in. Most Christians just want to help each get through life with a feeling of being more than a collection of molecules following the laws of physics. Knowing the truth about the world doesn't make it any easier.

Uhuh... QED!!!

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The supernatural is a fantasy. But I enjoy fantasy. Science fiction, fairy stories, ancient religions with their all their gods and the antics they got up to - I love them all. Christian churches are amazing too. Back on the farm we installed a stained glass window in the woolshed - really brightened up the day when you were working hard!

Uhuh....

You do not think Zombie Jesus is real... but you think simpletons need to believe it so why not just humor them with their needed narcotic... huh?

You are able to be a "cultural christian" without needing the supernatural fantasy of a Zombified human sacrifice so as to not despair from facing the utter futility of existence... but all those simpletons cannot do what you have done... huh?

Perhaps you are one of the lucky ones who never gets lonely or depressed.

I wish I was lonely... it would be a nice change from the incessant nagging of my dependents interminably demanding bailouts from the consequences of their depressing decisions.

I'm suspicious though, since you seem to have a desperate need to come here and vent.

Ah... here comes the internet psychoanalysis... you are here too... so you are self-projecting most clearly.

It is not rational nor prudent to assume things that you have no possible way of knowing.

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Islam is mostly about culture and respect.

Mostly bad culture and forced respect for sordid claptrap... much like Christianity was when they had the power to force "respect"... which they are now trying and almost succeeding in getting back.

You wouldn't know about that though because you latch onto the 'bad' BAD stuff its detractors VICTIMS wail about.

IFTFY

Here is an example... Taliban Deprive Women of Livelihoods, Identity

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Again, do you think that if I said that the GOPs attempts to purge their party of those who are "disloyal" to Trump is similar to the purges carried out by Stalin I am saying that the GOP are Stalinist or Communist?

It's a yes or no question.


Do you think that any of us here are Christian? It's a yes or no question.

Do you think that stating that your arguments are poor means that we are defending Christianity?

It's a yes or no question.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

No?




So that is a yes... you did.




Which you failed most abysmally to demonstrate... and never retracted the slander.





Indeed... maybe you will one day see how you have failed in the most abysmal way to demonstrate any of your bare assertions calling me a fascist like a Nazi.

Then explain to me, you calling the christian faith a blight poisonin the world is different from nazi propaganda calling all judasim a poison blighting the world is different how?

Just because you refuse to see the total similiarities does not mean they do not exist.

 

[theprestige]

What about the narrow minded parochialism of Jesus and his fascism and communism and despotism for his cult?

• He called Jews the children of the Devil
  
• And that the guilt of his blood is upon them and their children
  
• And that they need to be cut down like a fruitless fig tree and burned like chaff
  
• And told his cult followers that the ones who would not agree for him to rule over them should be brought and slain at his feet
  
• And he condemns entire cities to eternal torture because they did not fall for his hoax
  
• And he condemns Jews with eternal torture and gnashing of teeth in an eternal fiery pit
  
• And he told his cult follower to hate their kin and kith and only love him
  
• And he condemns the rich to eternal torture in hell
  
• And he killed Ananias and Sapphira because they did not give all their money to his Communist Regime
  
• And he condemns the ones who do not follow his cult to eternal torture
  
• And he promises to come back and wreak holocausts and massacres and wring the blood out of humans who do not follow his cult, to flow in knee-deep lakes

Ok Lukraak_Sisser and erwinl and Roger Ramjets and theprestige and MarkCorrigan and Chanakya and Steve and Foster Zygote... now tell me who is a worse racist fascistic communist despot... Jesus... or Hitler or Stalin or Robespierre?

Hold up. I didn't compare your argumentation to fascism. I compared it to anti-semitism. I make no assumptions about what system of government you would espouse. Except that I'm pretty sure you would embellish it with a virulent strain of persecution of the Scapegoat and the Other. Kind of like how Hitler embellished fascism with anti-semitism.

 

[Steve]

Hold up. I didn't compare your argumentation to fascism. I compared it to anti-semitism. I make no assumptions about what system of government you would espouse. Except that I'm pretty sure you would embellish it with a virulent strain of persecution of the Scapegoat and the Other. Kind of like how Hitler embellished fascism with anti-semitism.

Now you have done it! You have called Leumas Hitler. Expect another page of ranting about this!

 

[theprestige]

I'm okay with that.

 

[Myriad]

What about the narrow minded parochialism of Jesus and his fascism and communism and despotism for his cult?

• [Said various bad things]
  
• And he killed [two people]

...now tell me who is a worse racist fascistic communist despot... Jesus... or Hitler or Stalin or Robespierre?

(edited for brevity)


Hitler and Stalin and Robespierre killed many more people, and did so in the real world instead of in a story.

But none of them is the worst "racist fascistic communist despot" because that description is impossibly self-contradictory. Which corporate logo has the squarest triangle? Whose mansion has the most luxurious attic basement?

 

[Agatha]

Please try to stay focused on the topic and on the arguments presented.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha

 

[Leumas]

(edited for brevity)

Had you not done that and actually read the list you would have seen how it shows that Jesus was a racist and a despot and a cultist and a communist and a murderer and a fascist... and when he comes back to take a mulligan he is going to genocide most of humanity.

And there is nothing self-contradictory about being all those things at once just as was Jesus the ill begotten son of a celestial racist despotic fascistic lover of Sumerian pimps.

And Jesus not being real has nothing to do with it... the people who are Christians believe he is.

So they worship a despotic racist communist genocidal fascist.

,,,that description is impossibly self-contradictor...

No it is not.. and the New Tall tales' narrative depicts Jesus as all of them and as an ignorant pathetic fool too.

 

[Myriad]

Had you not done that and actually read the list you would have seen how it shows that Jesus was a racist and a despot and a cultist and a communist and a murderer and a fascist... and when he comes back to take a mulligan he is going to genocide most of humanity.

And there is nothing self-contradictory about being all those things at once just as was Jesus the ill begotten son of a celestial racist despotic fascistic lover of Sumerian pimps.

And Jesus not being real has nothing to do with it... the people who are Christians believe he is.

So they worship a despotic racist communist genocidal fascist.


No it is not.. and the New Tall tales' narrative depicts Jesus as all of them and as an ignorant pathetic fool too.

Grand Moff Tarkin killed a lot more of his fellow fictional people than Jesus ever did (or ever will, since Jesus's sequel has been in development hell for over two thousand years). So did Dark Phoenix (the comic book version, not any of the movie versions). And of course, Thanos (both comic and movie) out-murdered them all by orders of magnitude.

 

[Leumas]

Jesus was a narrow minded racist fascist and a despotic communist cult leader

Grand Moff Tarkin killed a lot more of his fellow fictional people than Jesus ever did (or ever will, since Jesus's sequel has been in development hell for over two thousand years). So did Dark Phoenix (the comic book version, not any of the movie versions). And of course, Thanos (both comic and movie) out-murdered them all by orders of magnitude.

But... those characters do not have the Catholic Church and a foppish pope and criminal bishops and a King Charles III and the Anglican Church and billions of idiots believing they are real and worship them.

So in the world right now we have billions of morons who worship as GOD and their LORD an ill begotten Zombified son of a celestial racist lover of Sumerian pimps called Jesus who himself is a racist and a despot and a communist and a fascist and a wannabe genocidal maniac who will torture for eternity in his gulags most of humanity after having wrung out their blood to flow into knee-high lakes of blood... and a pathetic ignorant fool to boot.

 

[Leumas]

,,,
Do you think that stating that your arguments are poor...

You never did that... you never stated that my arguments are poor...

If you were to do that then you would be just bare asserting an error.

Here try to show how this argument is poor... notice... I did not say state... I said show... show how I am wrong when I say that... Jesus the Zombified protagonist of the New Tall tales the ill begotten son of a celestial racist lover of Sumerian pimps, was, according to the fairy tales, irrefragably a narrow minded racist fascist and a despotic communist cult leader:

• He called Jews the children of the Devil
  
• And that the guilt of his blood is upon them and their children
  
• And that they need to be cut down like a fruitless fig tree and burned like chaff
  
• And told his cult followers that the ones who would not agree for him to rule over them should be brought and slain at his feet
  
• And he condemns entire cities to eternal torture because they did not fall for his hoax
  
• And he condemns Jews with eternal torture and gnashing of teeth in an eternal fiery pit
  
• And he told his cult follower to hate their kin and kith and only love him
  
• And he condemns the rich to eternal torture in hell
  
• And he killed Ananias and Sapphira because they did not give all their money to his Communist Regime
  
• And he condemns the ones who do not follow his cult to eternal torture
  
• And he promises to come back and wreak holocausts and massacres and wring the blood out of humans who do not follow his cult, to flow in knee-deep lakes

And please try to explain how is it that Jesus is not a worse narrow-minded racist fascistic communist despot than Hitler and Stalin and Robespierre... and a genocidal maniac because when he comes back to take his mulligan he promises to genocide most humans by wringing out their blood to flow into knee-high lakes of blood and then consign them to eternal torture in his gulags.

You need to show a dispassionate rational coherent argument for why I am wrong or why my points are poor.... not just state it is... which you have never done before by the way.

 

[Thermal]

We Are Titling Our Posts Again I See

Grand Moff Tarkin killed a lot more of his fellow fictional people than Jesus ever did (or ever will, since Jesus's sequel has been in development hell for over two thousand years). So did Dark Phoenix (the comic book version, not any of the movie versions). And of course, Thanos (both comic and movie) out-murdered them all by orders of magnitude.

Ok, let's get Jesus on the scale here, to determine his relative grotesque blightedness:

Thanos killed a lot of mother ******* (whether a grotesquely blighted actor is real or imaginary seems at best a moot point for our purposes). Hitler killed millions of real people. Stalin killed millions more. Jesus killed none. Leumas has not actually known to have been convicted of multiple mass murders, but coyly refuses to offer proof, so we'll stick a pin in that for now.

Grand Moff Tarkin and Stalin and all didn't kill anyone directly, relying on willing hangers-on to do the dirty work. Not sure who actually welded the physical killing power for Thanos. I mean, he snapped his fingers with a gaudy gauntlet made by a huge dwarf. The huge dwarf seems to be getting off pretty easily as an enabler, here.

Christianity has killed no one. Sure, a colorful variety of psychopaths have killed in its name, but not under it's direction. Kind of like if I went on a puppy raping spree in Leumas' name over the holiday (not confirming or denying at this point). Not really Leumas'responsibility, right? The only raped puppies that are his responsibility are those he raped himself, or ordered ordered his lackeys to rape. That he is ambivalent on the subject will again have a pin stuck in it. For now.

But let's be realistic here. Have any posters ITT been moved to being forum actioned by Thanos? Anyone sent to the Flames over Grand Moff Tarkin? I didn't think so. The evidence shows then, that Leumas is the most concretely grotesque blight on the forum. QED.

 

[Leumas]

Jesus is a blight worse than Hitler and Stalin combined!

....Christianity has killed no one. Sure, a colorful variety of psychopaths have killed in its name, but not under it's direction.

HAHA... good attempt at apologetics for Christianity... but reality of history and Jesus in the New Tall tales prove your no-true-Scotsman fallacy as fallacious.

...Leumas is the most concretely grotesque blight on the forum. QED.

And thanks for the additional emotionally consternated fallacy of personal attack to round up the fallacious apologetics for Christianity.

Although it is an egregious insult to liken me to Jesus by calling me a blight... at least you did not go full out and also add his other characteristics of being a despotic racist and a fascistic communist worse than Hitler and Stalin and Robespierre combined.

I appreciate it...

 

[theprestige]

Christianity has killed no one. Sure, a colorful variety of psychopaths have killed in its name, but not under it's direction.

I'm pretty sure the Crusades and the Inquisition were both directed and/or endorsed by Church authorities.

 

[theprestige]

Yup... calling me Hitler-like and anti-Semite like for exposing the grotesque absurdity of Christianity.

You're not exposing anything. The grotesque absurdity is a frequent topic here in the R&P subforum. Everyone here is already aware of it, and already takes it as read. You're haranguing the choir.

Your passionate assertions in defense of Christianity fail on so many levels of rationality and logic.

I have yet to defend Christianity, passionately or otherwise, in this thread. I am critiquing your attack on Christianity. You are attacking a bad thing, badly. The fact that it is a bad thing does absolutely nothing to rehabilitate the comical badness of your attack on it.

 

[Thermal]

I'm pretty sure the Crusades and the Inquisition were both directed and/or endorsed by Church authorities.

Yeah, I get that. But I'm pretty sure they were not following Christian tenets while sporting those particilar colors, much like Stalin abandoned the tenets of Marx when he went full tilt sociopath.

Like anything else, you can have a principle and an abuser of that principle. If the abusers become the controlling majority, I wouldn't say the original principle is fundementally flawed. I'd say bad people simply know how to effectively manipulate good people. My local parish nun is not, to the best of my knowledge, a Muslim killing crusader. {ETA: nor a past, present, or future endorser of said genocide}

 

[SteveAitch]

On the other hand, and it doesn't really outweigh all the bad stuff, the churches were indirectly responsible for some pretty good art - anyone who bad-mouths the music of of JSB or Hildegard von Bingen will answer to me.

L**m*s will now have a joygasm because some atheist defended a tiny part of what the churches are responsible for.

Oh, and without Christmas I'd have no excuse for over-indulging buying stuff for my family and friends...

 

[Thermal]

On the other hand, and it doesn't really outweigh all the bad stuff, the churches were indirectly responsible for some pretty good art - anyone who bad-mouths the music of of JSB or Hildegard von Bingen will answer to me.

L**m*s will now have a joygasm because some atheist defended a tiny part of what the churches are responsible for.

Oh, and without Christmas I'd have no excuse for over-indulging buying stuff for my family and friends...

I remember reading once that retailers do literally over half their business during the Christmas shopping season, and would not be able to keep the lights on without it. Basically, if we didn't have a Christmas buying spree, we'd have to invent one to create and maintain the grotesquely blighted retail landscape we currently enjoy.