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Ed Christianity Foments Villainy

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What most people fail to understand is that Christianity is a WARRANT for villainy.

I will say that again Christianity RATIFIES evil. Any villain aspirant loves Christianity. That is why Constantine adopted it.

A person who TRULY and seriously believes in the TENETS of Christianity knows that Jesus loves villains ninety nine more times than he loves their victims.... yes... Jesus makes it very arrantly clear that he loves and cherishes villains who believe in him 99 times more than their victims and if any of the victims of the villains stopped believing in Jesus (or never did) then Jesus will TORTURE FOR ETERNITY those victims and will allow the villains to watch the torture and revel in it while Jesus is jubilating the villains and joyously welcoming them to his bosom in heaven.
  • Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Jesus spewed out multiple parables to explain how he loves and prefers villains much more than their victims.
  1. Parable of the lost sheep
    • Luke 15:4-7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
  2. Parable of the vineyard workers
    • Matthew 20:1-16 .... they began to grumble against the landowner. ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’ But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
  3. Money lender forgiving debtors
    • Luke 7: 41-43 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
  4. Parable of the prodigal son
    • Luke 15:11-32 ….It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
According to those parables a villain can have a life-long career in vitiating humanity and rapine and vile actions leaving countless victims in his wake agonizing and screeching with pain and steeped in misery without Jesus even lifting a finger to stop it. But when this villain decides to retire from his career of vitiating humanity, all he has to do is ask Jesus for forgiveness and be baptized, even in the last hour... and he will assuredly be welcomed into the bosom of Jesus with 99 times more joy than his victims who despite Jesus' abject failure to stop their agonies remained believers.
  • John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life....
  • John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned....
  • Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved....
And if any of the victims never believed in Jesus or stopped believing in this USELESS pointless supposed savior who never saves but rather prefers villains, then according to Jesus they are destined to ETERNAL torture while their victimizers are watching them being tortured.
  • John 3:36 ... he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
  • John 3:18 ... he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
  • Mark 16:16 ….he that believeth not shall be damned.
  • Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
So anyone who reads the New Tall tales with a discerning critical eye can see that as far as Jesus is concerned, a mass murderer will be more joyously welcomed into Jesus' bosom than 99 victims he extirpated and if any of those victims were non-believers in Jesus then they will be tormented for eternity while the villains who ravaged them watch their agony as entertainment while lying on Jesus' bosom in heaven.

Christianity is a religion TAILOR-MADE for villains and brigands and vile priests who ravage humanity.
 
Original Christianity was a Death Cult, only meant to last until the Return of the Messiah, which was supposed to happen within a lifetime.

When that didn't happen, it turned into a State Religion, more State than Religion in that it mattered what Worked, not what was Gospel.
The main feature of Organized Christianity until the Reformation was that only the Priest got to even know what the Good Book actually said (since it was written in language no one could read), and thus were the only ones who got to decide what was Gospel and what was not.
The result is that modern Christianity is almost exclusively about the Institutions, not the Teachings; and the Institution tailor the text interpretation to their own purpose, thank you very much, without much consideration of original intent.
 
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Original Christianity was a Death Cult, only meant to last until the Return of the Messiah, which was supposed to happen within a lifetime.

When that didn't happen, it turned into a State Religion, more State than Religion in that it mattered what Worked, not what was Gospel.
The main feature of Organized Christianity until the Reformation was that only the Priest got to even know what the Good Book actually said (since it was written in language no one could read), and thus were the only ones who got to decide what was Gospel and what was not.
The result is that modern Christianity is almost exclusively about the Institutions, not the Teachings; and the Institution tailor the text interpretation to their own purpose, thank you very much, without much consideration of original intent.
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Of course... it is a mystery cult with the mystery only revealed to the elite initiated members ... and that is why it attracted villains who knew the secret... and why it still attracts violators who keep repeatedly violating knowing that they will still be welcomed in Jesus' bosom with joy.
  • Mark 4:11-13 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without , all these things are done in parables: that seeing they may see, and not perceive ; and hearing they may hear, and not understand ; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

And so as to stop the riffraff from knowing anything except what they are told they made sure of this.

 
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Leumas said:
Of course... it is a mystery cult with the mystery only revealed to the elite initiated members ... and that is why it attracted villains who knew the secret...

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And so as to stop the riffraff from knowing anything except what they are told they made sure of this.

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and the same can be said about the local Gardening Club.
There is little very unique about Christianity, nothing that makes it more or less villainous than other Religions.

Now take Confucianism - there is a Religion that lets Leaders get away with murder every single time.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
and the same can be said about the local Gardening Club.
There is little very unique about Christianity, nothing that makes it more or less villainous than other Religions.

Now take Confucianism - there is a Religion that lets Leaders get away with murder every single time.
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I agree... but that does not negate the OP... when a prosecution is prosecuting a villain in court... the defense cannot say that there are plenty of other villains out there as part of an effective and valid defense.

 
But the OP claim was that Christianity is tailor-made for villains to abuse their fellow Man.
This is not the case, as the setup of Christianity as Spiritual rather than Secular authority gives its leaders far less power than Confucianism, where secular and spiritual authority are identical.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
But the OP claim was that Christianity is tailor-made for villains to abuse their fellow Man.
This is not the case, as the setup of Christianity as Spiritual rather than Secular authority gives its leaders far less power than Confucianism, where secular and spiritual authority are identical.
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The Great Zaganza said:
Original Christianity was a Death Cult, only meant to last until the Return of the Messiah, which was supposed to happen within a lifetime.

When that didn't happen, it turned into a State Religion, more State than Religion in that it mattered what Worked, not what was Gospel.
The main feature of Organized Christianity until the Reformation was that only the Priest got to even know what the Good Book actually said (since it was written in language no one could read), and thus were the only ones who got to decide what was Gospel and what was not.
The result is that modern Christianity is almost exclusively about the Institutions, not the Teachings; and the Institution tailor the text interpretation to their own purpose, thank you very much, without much consideration of original intent.
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Yes... so do you... and ... have you ever had a suit tailor-made for you... it is a process that takes a few sessions of fitting and measuring and trying and changing.
 
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So what Christianity are you referring to?

Catholicism?
Orthodox?
Church of England?
Evangelicals?

All of them?

The fact that there are many different, competing types of Christianity, usually within a single country, indicates to me that "tailor-made" can't be a useful description.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
So what Christianity are you referring to?

Catholicism?
Orthodox?
Church of England?
Evangelicals?

All of them?
The fact that there are many different, competing types of Christianity, usually within a single country, indicates to me that "tailor-made" can't be a useful description.
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Have you read the OP... do you think the verses from the New Tall tales that I quoted are not there... do you think any christianity denies that if you do not believe in Jesus then you are condemned according to the very words of Jesus himself... do you think that any christianity would deny the words of Jesus that if you repent even in the last hour you would be welcomed in heaven with 99 times more joy than ones who did not need to repent???

The fact that there are many different, competing types of Christianity has no relevance whatsoever to the OP.... unless of course the particular christian sub-cult denies the New Tall tales and the words of Jesus in them.... and even then this particular sub-cult does not have any relevance to the OP either.


The Great Zaganza said:
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The fact that there are many different, competing types of Christianity, usually within a single country, indicates to me that "tailor-made" can't be a useful description.
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Why... does the fact that there are many different types of suits that all share the fact that they are suits negate that they are tailor-made???
 
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Apathia said:
Jesus.
Such a villain!
He should have been crucified!
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According to the Old Tall tales, that is exactly what it says should have been done to him... especially when you take things like what he said in Matthew 19:12 and compare it to Deuteronomy 23:1-2... or what he said in Matthew 8:22 and compare it to the 5th commandment (Exodus 20:12).
  • Deuteronomy 13:1-5 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass... Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for YHWH your God proveth you, to know whether ye love YHWH your God with all your heart and with all your soul... keep his commandments... and that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death....
 
Every religion, cult or ideology that proposes a conditional afterlife is inherently coercive.
I also despise any religion, cult or ideology based on the concept that there was once a Perfect State of Existence and that things will invariably get worse over time, culminating in an End Times of various descriptions.

Both of these tell people that they should cease all efforts to make their and other's lives better and should instead only focus on What Comes After.

But again, I don't see how Christianity is particularly bad in this - the belief in the Lost Cause of the Confederacy is pretty much the same, when you boil it down.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Every religion, cult or ideology that proposes a conditional afterlife is inherently coercive.
I also despise any religion, cult or ideology based on the concept that there was once a Perfect State of Existence and that things will invariably get worse over time, culminating in an End Times of various descriptions.

Both of these tell people that they should cease all efforts to make their and other's lives better and should instead only focus on What Comes After.

But again, I don't see how Christianity is particularly bad in this - the belief in the Lost Cause of the Confederacy is pretty much the same, when you boil it down.
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Here is why christianity is particularly more heinous than most other religions that are heinous too...
  • Christianity says that if one does not believe in Jesus ... no matter what... one is condemned for eternity
  • It says that if one believes in Jesus and repents ... no matter what... is saved for eternity
  • If a mass murderer repents even in the last hour and is baptized and believes in Jesus ... he is saved ... no matter what the count of his victims or his crimes
  • Moreover he is welcome in heaven with rejoice more than for 99 other people who are not mass murderers or even his victims (assuming they believe and are saved after they were murdered)
  • So... if a mass murderer is a repentant christian he goes to heaven for ever
  • So ... if a victim of a mass murderer is not a christian or becomes an apostate before he was killed or during... he goes to hell for ever
  • Also ... the victim's murderer gets to look from heaven at the victim in hell while he is being tormented for eternity
It does not matter the sub-cult ... this is what Jesus himself says in the New Tall tales says... and any sub-cult that denies that is only because of modern sensibilities... or because they do not want the rubes and riffraff to know... when they had the power they did not deny any of it.
 
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If I seem insufficiently outraged at Christianity, it's because I believe that, if we were to abolish that Religion tomorrow globally, bad people would find justification for their exploitation elsewhere.

In fact, most modern exploitation is morally supported not by the actual teachings of the bible, but by convincing people that the bible preaches Hyper-Capitalism and Neo-Conservatism, which it doesn't; it teaches very bad things, but not those things.
 
Leumas said:
According to the Old Tall tales, that is exactly what it says should have been done to him... especially when you take things like what he said in Matthew 19:12 and compare it to Deuteronomy 23:1-2... or what he said in Matthew 8:22 and compare it to the 5th commandment (Exodus 20:12).
  • Deuteronomy 13:1-5 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder come to pass... Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for YHWH your God proveth you, to know whether ye love YHWH your God with all your heart and with all your soul... keep his commandments... and that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death....
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He was pretty obviously a cult figure and leader.
That's vile.
 
Leumas said:
What most people fail to understand is that Christianity is a WARRANT for villainy.

I will say that again Christianity RATIFIES evil. Any villain aspirant loves Christianity. That is why Constantine adopted it.

A person who TRULY and seriously believes in the TENETS of Christianity knows that Jesus loves villains ninety nine more times than he loves their victims.... yes... Jesus makes it very arrantly clear that he loves and cherishes villains who believe in him 99 times more than their victims and if any of the victims of the villains stopped believing in Jesus (or never did) then Jesus will TORTURE FOR ETERNITY those victims and will allow the villains to watch the torture and revel in it while Jesus is jubilating the villains and joyously welcoming them to his bosom in heaven.
  • Luke 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Jesus spewed out multiple parables to explain how he loves and prefers villains much more than their victims.
  1. Parable of the lost sheep
    • Luke 15:4-7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
  2. Parable of the vineyard workers
    • Matthew 20:1-16 .... they began to grumble against the landowner. ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’ But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
  3. Money lender forgiving debtors
    • Luke 7: 41-43 There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most? Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.
  4. Parable of the prodigal son
    • Luke 15:11-32 ….It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
According to those parables a villain can have a life-long career in vitiating humanity and rapine and vile actions leaving countless victims in his wake agonizing and screeching with pain and steeped in misery without Jesus even lifting a finger to stop it. But when this villain decides to retire from his career of vitiating humanity, all he has to do is ask Jesus for forgiveness and be baptized, even in the last hour... and he will assuredly be welcomed into the bosom of Jesus with 99 times more joy than his victims who despite Jesus' abject failure to stop their agonies remained believers.
  • John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life....
  • John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned....
  • Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved....
And if any of the victims never believed in Jesus or stopped believing in this USELESS pointless supposed savior who never saves but rather prefers villains, then according to Jesus they are destined to ETERNAL torture while their victimizers are watching them being tortured.
  • John 3:36 ... he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
  • John 3:18 ... he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
  • Mark 16:16 ….he that believeth not shall be damned.
  • Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
So anyone who reads the New Tall tales with a discerning critical eye can see that as far as Jesus is concerned, a mass murderer will be more joyously welcomed into Jesus' bosom than 99 victims he extirpated and if any of those victims were non-believers in Jesus then they will be tormented for eternity while the villains who ravaged them watch their agony as entertainment while lying on Jesus' bosom in heaven.

Christianity is a religion TAILOR-MADE for villains and brigands and vile priests who ravage humanity.
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And as much as I don't care for Christianity I don't see this. It does value credulity over good deeds which is offensive. Still, a Christian would say this is about mercy, grace and forgiveness. That it is never too late to turn over a new leaf. Its also important to know that we need to forgive others as well.

We all know we have made mistakes and hope to be forgiven. As a former Christian who always thought that much of the Bible is ridiculous and unbelievable, I appreciate some of the philosophy.
 
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