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Christian Ninja Greg Park aka ChosonNinja

arthwollipot said:
Does it involve sneaking up behind them and trying to hit them in the head with a sword?

There's an earlier thread about that. :rolleyes:
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as someone in the bujinkan i've experienced this, and i've been hit and i've moved out of the way and i can't really say i've felt anything in either case. it's a strange situation since i don't believe in chi but that test is a requirement, when the time comes to take it for real i'll see for myself. i was thinking of ways to actually test it to see if it's real but to be able to you'd need to be able to prove someone was emitting sakki and someone was receptive of sakki and it's impossible. i've seen people in my class do it and i can't think of a logical explanation but i'll keep trying.
 
I'll try and find that old thread. It was a couple of months back. It had some interesting discussion on that particular "test".
 
i think i know the op, unless he was lying. i've heard that story about him in the air force mess hall a ton of times, and the plane crash he's talking about was with toshiro nagato.
 
Only slightly off-topic; this sort of thing seems to be part of the martial-arts scene for quite a while. I well remember the young fellow (Heydrich? Hydrick?) who appeared on "That's Incredible" years ago with his abilities to move objects with his "ki". He was outed by Randi...

When actors Steven Seagal and Jean-Claude Van Damme hit the scene, both made claims that proved to be untrue. Seagal said he had studied Aikido under Ueshiba himself; the Aikido foundation said..."not true". VanDamme claimed to be a kick-boxing "champion" in Europe, till no one could find his name on a single pro fight....

We're discussing a more contemporary fellow over at one of the "tactical" forums I subscribe to; one of those "defensive systems" types.
The guy claimed all sorts of military and intelligence creds on his site; Special Forces, various tactical ops associations, extensive martial arts experience, etc, etc.
Then it was discovered that he had only been in the military for 8 months, assigned to thoroughly non-combative duties..... A complete fraud.

When the "kung fu" craze hit years ago, many the "Karate" studio quickly hung out a "kung fu" shingle; one can see the head instructor furiously reading his way through a couple of books and maybe watching a video or two...

Much the same when the "ninja" craze hit some years later. At the time, there was one and only one certified instructor in the US who had actually been authorized to teach what is now called the (above mentioned) Bujinkan system. Yet miraculously, hundreds of instructors appeared, many claiming to have received instruction in "other" schools by mysterious instructors who were now conveniently dead....
I remember a Black-Belt interview with one of the Japanese ninja film stars. He had been trained in straight Japanese Karate. Asked what he did differently in his ninja films, he said that he tried to make his moves look more sinister....

There are large numbers of reputable, certified, well-trained martial arts instructors around.
There are also a fair number of frauds.
 
Only slightly off-topic; this sort of thing seems to be part of the martial-arts scene for quite a while. I well remember the young fellow (Heydrich? Hydrick?) who appeared on "That's Incredible" years ago with his abilities to move objects with his "ki". He was outed by Randi...

When actors Steven Seagal and Jean-Claude Van Damme hit the scene, both made claims that proved to be untrue. Seagal said he had studied Aikido under Ueshiba himself; the Aikido foundation said..."not true". VanDamme claimed to be a kick-boxing "champion" in Europe, till no one could find his name on a single pro fight....

We're discussing a more contemporary fellow over at one of the "tactical" forums I subscribe to; one of those "defensive systems" types.
The guy claimed all sorts of military and intelligence creds on his site; Special Forces, various tactical ops associations, extensive martial arts experience, etc, etc.
Then it was discovered that he had only been in the military for 8 months, assigned to thoroughly non-combative duties..... A complete fraud.

When the "kung fu" craze hit years ago, many the "Karate" studio quickly hung out a "kung fu" shingle; one can see the head instructor furiously reading his way through a couple of books and maybe watching a video or two...

Much the same when the "ninja" craze hit some years later. At the time, there was one and only one certified instructor in the US who had actually been authorized to teach what is now called the (above mentioned) Bujinkan system. Yet miraculously, hundreds of instructors appeared, many claiming to have received instruction in "other" schools by mysterious instructors who were now conveniently dead....
I remember a Black-Belt interview with one of the Japanese ninja film stars. He had been trained in straight Japanese Karate. Asked what he did differently in his ninja films, he said that he tried to make his moves look more sinister....

There are large numbers of reputable, certified, well-trained martial arts instructors around.
There are also a fair number of frauds.
 
i asked greg park to demonstrate his chi powers for the jref million dollar challenge, but he stated randi does not actually pay people(probably cause no one really has powers greg)

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James randis ever pay anyone? Its truly amazing how they get out of paying. I have heard more stories about them making excuses why they can not pay than actually paying to it. Please warn the people about them never paying and puting people through ridiclous test. OK? Consider you also giving to people the truth as charity. I would also appreciate that from you as well.
 
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I always love how these 'chi' guys and wing chung people get their asses handed to them in MMA. Now I'm not saying MMA is everything, because most fights don't take place in a steel cage with weight divisions, but at least ONE win would be more supportive of the claims.

I've seen breaking guys make the same claims. Talking about chi is useful for learning focus, a mental tool as it were. The problem is that, like the bible, some idiot has to take it literally.
 
arthwollipot said:
Does it involve sneaking up behind them and trying to hit them in the head with a sword?

There's an earlier thread about that. :rolleyes:
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You're describing, I believe, the 5th dan test, I've had it done once in preparation and no, I'm not that far along, but they did miss

You're supposed to sense the cut coming and roll out of the way from a kneeling position. I suspect I got lucky more than spidey sense
 
Bikewer said:
Only slightly off-topic; this sort of thing seems to be part of the martial-arts scene for quite a while. I well remember the young fellow (Heydrich? Hydrick?) who appeared on "That's Incredible" years ago with his abilities to move objects with his "ki". He was outed by Randi...

When actors Steven Seagal and Jean-Claude Van Damme hit the scene, both made claims that proved to be untrue. Seagal said he had studied Aikido under Ueshiba himself; the Aikido foundation said..."not true". VanDamme claimed to be a kick-boxing "champion" in Europe, till no one could find his name on a single pro fight....

We're discussing a more contemporary fellow over at one of the "tactical" forums I subscribe to; one of those "defensive systems" types.
The guy claimed all sorts of military and intelligence creds on his site; Special Forces, various tactical ops associations, extensive martial arts experience, etc, etc.
Then it was discovered that he had only been in the military for 8 months, assigned to thoroughly non-combative duties..... A complete fraud.

When the "kung fu" craze hit years ago, many the "Karate" studio quickly hung out a "kung fu" shingle; one can see the head instructor furiously reading his way through a couple of books and maybe watching a video or two...

Much the same when the "ninja" craze hit some years later. At the time, there was one and only one certified instructor in the US who had actually been authorized to teach what is now called the (above mentioned) Bujinkan system. Yet miraculously, hundreds of instructors appeared, many claiming to have received instruction in "other" schools by mysterious instructors who were now conveniently dead....
I remember a Black-Belt interview with one of the Japanese ninja film stars. He had been trained in straight Japanese Karate. Asked what he did differently in his ninja films, he said that he tried to make his moves look more sinister....

There are large numbers of reputable, certified, well-trained martial arts instructors around.
There are also a fair number of frauds.
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dont know about Segal, Van Damme wasnt what he claimed
 
i need a little help on this one. this guy is claiming to throw shuriken (spikes) that are about 12 inches long from 60 feet away with rotation not a direct throw like a spear. he's penetrating a can about the size of a coffee can and the penetration is a direct line as if it hit perfectly straight, i know this is impossible if the can is on a flat object, can anyone help with the physics on this? still can't post links but search youtube for best shuriken throw 60 feet by chosonninja
 
i've thrown shuriken for years, it's possible to do this with a no spin throw but his style of throwing is like throwing a baseball, more than likely he's using camera tricks, i asked him to repeat it with a different angle in the day time and he couldn't reproduce the same penetration, but managed to do it a few times in the dark, with the camera 60 feet away from the target. the basic explanation to me is yes he's hitting the target, i played baseball for a long time throwing 60 feet isn't impressive to me, and then using a gimmicked can which has the shuriken penetrated perfectly straight through. it could be possible, it could be possible jesus was invisible and guided it through angels in the outfield style too, but i was looking for some sort of formula that shows the path of a rotating object in flight
 
I can't view video at all. But you were saying that this is a foot-long dart? Such things have a great deal of penetrating power when thrown with force. Does the dart spin end-over-end, or fly straight?
 
end over end rotating many times per second and penetrating the can perfectly flat as if a pub dart or arrow was thrown or shot. without denting the can in anyway i should add.
 
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Okay, throwing it end over end is a lot easier than throwing it like a javelin. Once it penetrates one side of the can, that would tend to constrain it to moving only in one direction. I would expect the entry hole to be slightly larger than the exit hole, due to the can absorbing the vertical force of the dart. And I wouldn't expect a throw like that to dent the can at all. The denting comes only when the energy of the strike isn't absorbed by tearing the material.

Like I said, this would be extremely difficult to do, but there's nothing there that violates the laws of physics as we know them. Trained martial artists can do some pretty incredible things - have you ever seen the Shaolin Monks on tour? - but nothing that cannot be scientifically explained.
 
OK, well not having been able to see either video, I can't speak to that - all I can say is that I can see nothing impossible in what you have described. If the other guy can't replicate the feat, he may well label it "impossible".

I'll have a go at viewing the two videos when I get home tonight, if I remember.
 
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