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It's getting like Mad Max in the South China sea.

"Tensions in the South China Sea have ratcheted up this year, with Manila accusing Beijing of trying to intimidate its coast guard vessels, as well as sending its so called "maritime militia" to crowd out Philippine fishing boats. In May, the Philippine foreign minister demanded in a tweet that China's vessels "GET THE ****** OUT" of the disputed waters."

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/14/asia/philippines-south-china-sea-sewage-intl-hnk/index.html
 
It's tragicomic, how Australia is feeding itself the short end of the stick in this. Won't build its own navy. Doesn't want the US Navy. Can't stop the People's Liberation Army Navy. At this point, The Atheist has it right. Best bet is to pretend the PLAN is not and never will be a serious threat to Australia's freedom of movement and commerce in the region.
 
I… don’t understand your link. :confused:

I think he means that China is aiming to be World's Strongest Man, just like Geoff Capes was. Perhaps The Atheist is hinting that China may have an Achilles Heel, which is a fear of budgies. However, Geoff Capes's fear of budgies was merely a joke column in the British magazine Viz, and not a true story.
 
It's tragicomic, how Australia is feeding itself the short end of the stick in this. Won't build its own navy. Doesn't want the US Navy. Can't stop the People's Liberation Army Navy. At this point, The Atheist has it right. Best bet is to pretend the PLAN is not and never will be a serious threat to Australia's freedom of movement and commerce in the region.

war or not, we need to start sinking the boats of the Chinese Fishing Mafia. And encourage other countries to follow suit when they "stray" into their territorial waters.
 
My opinion of Xi and China has been mixed, but I certainly support these efforts.

The Chinese government let capitalism reign supreme for far too long and it's good to see them rightfully take the corporations and billionaires down a peg for the good of the rest of society.

We should take notes.
 
That's very interesting.

I was wondering what's happened to Jack Ma, and found this.

https://marketrealist.com/p/is-jack-ma-still-missing/

"Since he first "went missing," Ma has only been seen six times in public. In January, he published a video of himself online that many people thought looked orchestrated. He said that he's working with charity foundations in his country to help poor people. The video was first posted on a Chinese government-based news publication. In the video, he called for "rural revitalization and common prosperity," two things that Chinese President Xi Jinping cites as key goals."

Whether it's forced or done willingly, there's a mention of this "common prosperity" by a a billionaire.
 
I was wondering what's happened to Jack Ma, and found this.

I have no doubt Jack was told very carefully, and over a period of time, that he needed to change his attitude or go missing permanently. He may have thought he was immune from the CCP, but the message was that he isn't, and if he isn't, nobody is.
 
My opinion of Xi and China has been mixed, but I certainly support these efforts.

The Chinese government let capitalism reign supreme for far too long and it's good to see them rightfully take the corporations and billionaires down a peg for the good of the rest of society.

We should take notes.

A person needs to be really gullible to think this is motivated by concern for China’s poor. It isn’t. It’s motivated by a desire for more government control and power. The CCP will brook no rivals.
 
China is an interesting ongoing test case for a lot of issues.
Result of falling birth rates, social engineering, eco fascism, etc

The rest of the world can learn a lot from China - both what and what not to do.
 
A person needs to be really gullible to think this is motivated by concern for China’s poor. It isn’t. It’s motivated by a desire for more government control and power. The CCP will brook no rivals.

Better for the corporations and billionaires to be subserviant to the government than the other way around.

They realize this capitalist experiment of theirs is creating way too much income inequality in society (because that's what capitalism does) and giving the capitalists too much power and they are putting a stop to it.

In a country like ours, where the corporations and lobbyists own the government, something like this would unfortunately be impossible.
 
Better for the corporations and billionaires to be subserviant to the government than the other way around.

Not when the government is the CCP.

They realize this capitalist experiment of theirs is creating way too much income inequality in society

Bwahahahaha!

No. You really don't have a clue about China, do you? It isn't capitalism which has created such vast inequality. It's cronyism. China is corrupt from top to bottom. You can't get anywhere without the blessing of the CCP. They pick the winners and losers. Economic inequality is far worse in China than it is in Taiwan, because China was never really capitalist, and Taiwan is.

In a country like ours, where the corporations and lobbyists own the government, something like this would unfortunately be impossible.

What do you even think "this" is? Are you actually naive enough to think that China is really going to help the poor, and lift them up?

No. Don't be stupid. China doesn't give a **** about their own poor. They treat them like dirt. If you live in rural China, you aren't even allowed to move to the city to get a better job.

One little tidbit I just found out about is damn flooding. Their flood management systems are garbage so they frequently have to release water from dams at levels that will cause flooding. It's possible to warn residents about these releases so that they can prepare. But generally, they don't. Why not? Because if it's a planned release, they have to provide compensation to the victims. But if it's an emergency release (even if they know it's going to happen ahead of time), then it's a natural disaster and no compensation is owed. They deliberately **** over their own citizens. This is just one of many examples of how.

The CCP are not the heroes you imagine them to be. They aren't just occasionally wrong, or misguided. They are villains, through and through. Stop being a sucker for their propaganda.
 
The CCP are certainly no heroes of mine. They just do some things that I agree with and some things I don't. I just don't see them as any worse or better than we are.

And "villians"? Really? No. They are an economic and political competitor and the US hasn't really had one since the collapse of the Soviet Union. We need to work together for the benefit of both our nations and not let hatred drive us into another pointless Cold War like the right seems determined to get us into (or just straight up WWIII like some of you have been proposing).
 
The CCP are certainly no heroes of mine. They just do some things that I agree with and some things I don't. I just don't see them as any worse or better than we are.

Then you are blind.

And "villians"? Really?

Yes. Really.

No. They are an economic and political competitor and the US hasn't really had one since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

No. The EU is a competitor. The CCP is an enemy.

But isn't even the fact that they are our enemy which makes me say they are villains. The CCP is the enemy of the Chinese people too. You clearly have no idea of their true nature, and of the evil they inflict on their own citizens. You are also buying into their propaganda by identifying the CCP with the Chinese population, when they are not at all the same. And no, none of our own sins are actually comparable.
 

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