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MRC_Hans said:
Right. I get so tired when people insist on seeing even semi-complex systems in black and white (and of course implying that they own the definition of what is black and white). It gets even worse when they claim that everyone who doesn't buy into their interpretation is actively endorsing the opposite color.

And China is not just complex. China is arguably the most complex nation on the planet.

Hans
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I repeat, this is an awful lot like the crap printed in the 1930's to try to excuse Uncle Joe.
 
dudalb said:
I repeat, this is an awful lot like the crap printed in the 1930's to try to excuse Uncle Joe.
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It's even worse rubbish when the CCP is deliberately and obviously homogenising the country.

The differences between the regions are irrelevant when you have a single, centralised command.

I struggle to see why that's so hard to understand.
 
dudalb said:
And you can say the same about any country...certainly applies to Nazi Germany.
The real joke is that China is not a Socialist Country despite the Government's rhetoric...The CCP had been sescribed as a CINO party..Communist in Name Only.
And that that mass murderer Mao is still held up as some kind of God should tell you something.
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China is not very socialist, no.

The general Chinese position on Mao is that 60% of what he did was good, so he ain't half bad.

Bit strange in our eyes, but Chinese way of reckoning is different.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
The general Chinese position on Mao is that 60% of what he did was good, so he ain't half bad.
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A lot of Chinese don't know what Mao did. There was a Reddit thread recently about Chinese immigrants who found out what their taught history had omitted. Not just recent things like Tianaman Square--things like the entire Cultural Revolution were blamed on deputies "because Mao was ill at the time", the Great Leap Forward and Hundred Flowers were omitted entirely. And of course if you don't know about something you don't know that you don't know it. Control information and you can get the population to believe whatever you like. For that alone I think we can say that China is not governed by benevolent parties.
 
MRC_Hans said:
China is not very socialist, no.

The general Chinese position on Mao is that 60% of what he did was good, so he ain't half bad.

Bit strange in our eyes, but Chinese way of reckoning is different.

Hans
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Anokther variation on "..but he made the trains run on time".

And again, it this were a right wing regime would be making the same "differenent way o reckoning" excuse.

Or do you advocate total there is no right or wrong amorality?
 
dudalb said:
Anokther variation on "..but he made the trains run on time".

And again, it this were a right wing regime would be making the same "differenent way o reckoning" excuse.

Or do you advocate total there is no right or wrong amorality?
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dudalb said:
Anokther variation on "..but he made the trains run on time".
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That's a cop out.

And again, it this were a right wing regime would be making the same "differenent way o reckoning" excuse.

Or do you advocate total there is no right or wrong amorality?
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At what rank in the CCP do you become a totalitarian dictator?
 
dudalb said:
Anokther variation on "..but he made the trains run on time".

And again, it this were a right wing regime would be making the same "differenent way o reckoning" excuse.

Or do you advocate total there is no right or wrong amorality?
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I'm not advocating anything. This thread is about whether people are afraid of China and why. Therefore information about China is important. I am supplying information about China.

Sure, my opinion on China is no doubt different from that of several people here, but I'm not making excuses for that or for China. I don't need to.

Hans
 
It's a country governed by communist dictatorship.

Democracy is non existent.
Free speech is a criminal offence.
Millions of Uighurs are incarcerated for no other reason than being Muslim.

And the western world uses it as a sweatshop.
 
Airfix said:
It's a country governed by communist dictatorship.

Democracy is non existent.
Free speech is a criminal offence.
Millions of Uighurs are incarcerated for no other reason than being Muslim.

And the western world uses it as a sweatshop.
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But... but... they are very diverse and have very long history and very rich culture!

That current Chinese gov is trying to suppress that richness and culture and diversity is just little unimportant detail, right Orphia Nay, MRC_Hans?
 
Mader Levap said:
But... but... they are very diverse and have very long history and very rich culture!

That current Chinese gov is trying to suppress that richness and culture and diversity is just little unimportant detail, right Orphia Nay, MRC_Hans?
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Where did I say that?

Hans
 
The Atheist said:
Not even Jack Ma can criticise the PRC: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/...-chinas-regulatory-systems-and-banking-sector
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This article seems to (IMHO) show a correlation between the Ant Group platform and many opinions of the Facebook tech giant:

"Ma has been remarkably quiet since then. The Ant IPO has sunk and the company could potentially be broken up as regulators look to get the company to provide more transparency on its inner- workings. Faced with this level of scrutiny keeping a low profile is probably in Ma's best interest."

https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...act-a-lesson-in-humility-20210106-p56s1z.html (Sydney Morning Herald).


In other China news, Chinese annual import quotas on Australian wool have been lifted by 5% (around 11,000 bales).

https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-01-08/china-lifts-australian-wool-import-quota/13039656 (ABC News)

No news on lobster and wine, though, quotas that China reduced in 2020.
 
The reasons to be afraid of China are similar to the reasons to be afraid of a Trump Presidency in the US. If you are afraid of one but not the other there is likely some cognitive bias going on. If you are afraid of neither there is likely some cognitive deficit going on.
 
lomiller said:
The reasons to be afraid of China are similar to the reasons to be afraid of a Trump Presidency in the US. If you are afraid of one but not the other there is likely some cognitive bias going on. If you are afraid of neither there is likely some cognitive deficit going on.
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It may be obvious, but could you possibly spell out the Trump/China parallels?
 
Samson said:
It may be obvious, but could you possibly spell out the Trump/China parallels?
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Their approach to trade, international relations and internal politics are all very similar. They view trade as a zero sum game they can "win" by exploiting other nations instead of a partnership where both sides benefit.


International relations are all about projecting prestige and power and exerting authority and control over other nations with military and economic threats. Also, once you dig a little there is an innate sense of racial superiority underpinning their perceptions of what the world order should look like.

In terms of internal politics they are both Xi and Trump authoritarian where people are expected to spend considerable time and effort making them look good. Rules can be made or broken on a whim to further their personal goals regardless of any long term negative consequences. China is one party rule, while Republicans in general and Trump in particular are doing many things in the background to ensure one party rule in spite of being a minority.

Trump doesn't have the same level of control over government institutions nor has he suppressed the challenges to his rule, but he certainly made a play for it.
 
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