China

[Roboramma]

No, it isn't.
It's a subsidy that comes at huge cost to taxpayers whilst disproportionately benefiting car makers.
If they want for-cars-cities, they should pay for them.

Not only does this not respond to what I wrote in the post you quoted, "No, it isn't" doesn't even make sense grammatically as a response to my post. No, what isn't?

 

[Lplus]

yep, everything is binary: I have to love either the US or China.

how can anyone think like this?


for the record (for the 1000ths time). if you LOVE something, you make sure they stop sucking so much - the reason why I am EXTREMELY critical of what the US has become is because it has the potential to fix itself, and my criticism might make others aware to the ways in which the US has given up on pretty much any effort other than giving money to the Rich.

I have no chance to influence China, but I might get people here to stop fearing of criticizing their own country - it's what ACTUAL patriots do.
US exceptionalism is the the weight that drags us under water - we have to learn from other countries, because at this point, all we can learn from our own examples is how not to do it.

I ask again: in a perfect market economy, what is the profit margin of a business?

If you LOVE something you accept it with both the good and the bad. You don't keep trying to change it to make it your idea of perfect. It doesn't often work for inanimate objects and it sure doesn't work for relationships.


This thread is about China, not your hatred of capitalism and other aspects of the US. Constantly trying to suggest that China is better than the US because whatever the US isn't doing to your satisfaction simply makes you look utterly partisan towards China as a whole.

As to your final question, why are you asking? Just to get an answer you can ridicule? I can however guess your answer to the question based on your posting history; there should be no market economy, there should be no profit margin and there should be no business.

 

[Ziggurat]

yep, everything is binary: I have to love either the US or China.

how can anyone think like this?

I said nothing about your opinion of the US. I asked why you were simping for China. And you have not addressed that at all. All your complaints about the US apply even more strongly to China, and yet you keep trying to puff them up. It makes no sense.

So again, why are you simping for China?

 

[dudalb]

If you LOVE something you accept it with both the good and the bad. You don't keep trying to change it to make it your idea of perfect. It doesn't often work for inanimate objects and it sure doesn't work for relationships.


This thread is about China, not your hatred of capitalism and other aspects of the US. Constantly trying to suggest that China is better than the US because whatever the US isn't doing to your satisfaction simply makes you look utterly partisan towards China as a whole.

As to your final question, why are you asking? Just to get an answer you can ridicule? I can however guess your answer to the question based on your posting history; there should be no market economy, there should be no profit margin and there should be no business.

And what works in Europe might not work in The United States...America is different. I do not think that is the same as exceptionalism.
And his question about the proper margin of profit shows he does not understand how a market economy works. Profit margin depends on how many people want to buy what you are selling.
OF course Zanganz said in antorhe thread there should be no big business,everything should be small business. except what the government does.
That with some inudstries you just cannot use the small business model seems beyond him.

 

[dudalb]

And, yeah, there is a lot of Mickey Mao love of the CCP out there on the left.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I said nothing about your opinion of the US. I asked why you were simping for China. And you have not addressed that at all. All your complaints about the US apply even more strongly to China, and yet you keep trying to puff them up. It makes no sense.

So again, why are you simping for China?

i am not.

i am trying to point out that this automatic China bashing by you and others looks like an infantile effort to pretend that China isn't eating America's lunch without any effort.
the US spend trillions in wars trying to convince the world that it is the only superpower, when it should have used the peace dividend to fix itself and secure its future in a 21st century global economy.

It's just a fact that it will be decades before China's problems are going to slow it down in any meaningful way - talk of imminent economic collapse is nothing but wishful thinking, an excuse for the US to go on with business as usual.

But, sure, be lazy and call me a simp . That way, you don't have to actually think.

 

[Ziggurat]

i am not.

i am trying to point out that this automatic China bashing by you and others looks like an infantile effort to pretend that China isn't eating America's lunch without any effort.

You say you aren't simping, but then you simp. And I've been very explicit about details of what's wrong with China, why you are wrong about China, and why it won't eat our lunch. You have never had any substantive counter arguments

the US spend trillions in wars trying to convince the world that it is the only superpower, when it should have used the peace dividend to fix itself and secure its future in a 21st century global economy.

Once again, this thread isn't about the US.

It's just a fact that it will be decades before China's problems are going to slow it down in any meaningful way

That's obviously wrong since we already see China's growth contracting significantly.

talk of imminent economic collapse is nothing but wishful thinking,

I never said anything about imminent collapse. I said demographic collapse is inevitable, but that's a very different claim, one you haven't even objected to.

an excuse for the US to go on with business as usual.

Once again, this thread isn't about the US.

But, sure, be lazy and call me a simp . That way, you don't have to actually think.

I call you a simp because that's what you're doing. And you clearly haven't thought about what's actually going on in China, because you can't actually defend your claims on the merits, you can only insult the US.

 

[Lplus]

And what works in Europe might not work in The United States...America is different. I do not think that is the same as exceptionalism.
And his question about the proper margin of profit shows he does not understand how a market economy works. Profit margin depends on how many people want to buy what you are selling.
OF course Zanganz said in antorhe thread there should be no big business,everything should be small business. except what the government does.
That with some inudstries you just cannot use the small business model seems beyond him.

I feel sure that TGZ is aware of that and assumes that that's where the state takes over - ownership of the means of production etc.

 

[dudalb]

I feel sure that TGZ is aware of that and assumes that that's where the state takes over - ownership of the means of production etc.

And we have seen how well that works.....

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It is fascinating how little attention China is getting on this forum.

It is also revealing that, in the face of a self-declared Communist Country being more successful economically than the capitalist US, the goalposts are shifted to "actually, it's not really communist" instead of asking how capitalism has failed the US.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

China willing at Diplomacy:

Putin, Modi and Erdoğan among leaders in China for talks with Xi

Chinese president holds bilateral meetings on sidelines of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation summit in Tianjin

www.theguardian.com

Trump really annoyed India by claiming he was involved in the peace deal with Pakistan - the last thing Modi wants is to be seen like he's needing the US in a fight. And the tariffs made things worse - now India is orienting towards China.

Turkey moving towards China is no surprise either.

Trump will not like how much better China's Military Parade will look than the puny little birthday present he gave to himself.

 

[Ziggurat]

It is fascinating how little attention China is getting on this forum.

It is also revealing that, in the face of a self-declared Communist Country being more successful economically than the capitalist US, the goalposts are shifted to "actually, it's not really communist" instead of asking how capitalism has failed the US.

I don't think you actually understand how China is doing economically. They aren't beating the US. Nor will they, ever.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I don't think you actually understand how China is doing economically. They aren't beating the US. Nor will they, ever.

They're investing a big chunk of the considerable cash boost they've gained from becoming the world's factory to beat the US at making friends with a whole bunch of countries, investing in infrastructure especially where it helps them do a deal for, say, mineral extraction.

And they've been greatly assisted by Trump pulling the plug on helping anyone.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

And, yeah, there is a lot of Mickey Mao love of the CCP out there on the left.

Which as someone who is almost as far left as it's possible to be has always baffled me. The CCP are just awful. Even if you want to ignore the horrific human rights abuses, rampant corruption and brutal suppression of criticism they're rubbish Communists.

 

[Ziggurat]

They're investing a big chunk of the considerable cash boost they've gained from becoming the world's factory to beat the US at making friends with a whole bunch of countries,

Making friends.

investing in infrastructure especially where it helps them do a deal for, say, mineral extraction.

More and more countries are discovering those infrastructure deals are not good for them. China has little to show for it too.

I get that you don’t like Trump. But this China simping isn’t the only alternative.

 

[a_unique_person]

Making friends.

More and more countries are discovering those infrastructure deals are not good for them. China has little to show for it too.

I get that you don’t like Trump. But this China simping isn’t the only alternative.

The infrastructure deals are working for those leaders who benefit directly and don't care about the negatives for their country.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I get that you don’t like Trump. But this China simping isn’t the only alternative.

Trump has squandered American influence while China has continued to ingratiate itself. Please don't mistake my observing that as any indication that I want it to happen or that I am in any way happy about it.

 

[steenkh]

I get that you don’t like Trump. But this China simping isn’t the only alternative

So far, nobody has claimed that China is an "alternative", but it is a fact that China steps in where the U.S. has left.

On a related note, I have had the impression that faced with a slow down of the Chinese economy, China has scaled down the Silk Road investments. If this is true, China is not getting the full advantage of Trump's blunders.

 

[Ziggurat]

The infrastructure deals are working for those leaders who benefit directly and don't care about the negatives for their country.

And in the long run, what will that get China? The loyalty of a dictator of a country with a ◊◊◊◊ economy? Perhaps. How much is that really worth? Not much.

China's economy is not doing well. Their foreign investments won't pay off, their demographic collapse has already begun, and the inherent corruption of the CCP will prevent them from actually solving any of their structural problems. They might get a few wins here and there, but that won't be enough.

 

[The Atheist]

Don't forget to check out China's military parade tomorrow - it's likely to be the biggest one ever seen as Pooh wants to show off his power and his friends.