Cheney hunting accident conspiracy

[Polaris]

I'm not a hunter, and have never fired a shotgun, but what I kept wondering about while I watched that video was, if the penetration really is so weak, how does anyone ever actually kill a bird with these things? Anyone more experienced in shooting want to address this issue? At what range do you usually shoot small animals, and whatnot?

The shock alone, and the scale of the impact of the shot is greater for a bird (those things die from running into windows, after all).

 

[jimtron]

From The Smoking Gun:

Katharine Armstrong, who has given conflicting accounts of whether alcohol was consumed on the day of the hunt, wrote in her February 15 statement that, "to the best of my knowledge there was no alcohol involved." Willeford stated that "there was no alcohol consumed during the afternoon of the hunt in the field," though she did have a glass of wine with lunch several hours earlier. In a February 15 Fox News interview, Cheney said that he consumed a beer with his lunch. In a same-day supplement to her initial February 15 statement, Sarita Armstrong Hixon reported that, "to my knowledge none of the members of the shooting group...consumed any alcoholic beverages."

Maybe Cheney's gun wasn't the only thing that was loaded?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I'm not a hunter, and have never fired a shotgun, but what I kept wondering about while I watched that video was, if the penetration really is so weak, how does anyone ever actually kill a bird with these things? Anyone more experienced in shooting want to address this issue? At what range do you usually shoot small animals, and whatnot?

A 28 gauge should be effective on quail, and the like, out to about 30 yrds.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

I'm not a hunter, and have never fired a shotgun, but what I kept wondering about while I watched that video was, if the penetration really is so weak, how does anyone ever actually kill a bird with these things? Anyone more experienced in shooting want to address this issue? At what range do you usually shoot small animals, and whatnot?

it also depends on the shells, shotguns essentially shoot a bunch of little BBs, but depending on the shells used some will keep the BBs in a tight pack, others will have them spread out, it depends if you want to be effective at close range or long range, or against big game or small game

 

[Big Les]

I know this is a necropost, but I found this backyard ballistics test that is rather more scientifically conducted, and (naturally) comes to the opposite conclusion to Alex "Blaring Facets" Jones. But one that makes perfect (even common) sense. I too noticed his botched high shot, interpreted as "evidence".

What a maroon.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

I know this is a necropost, but I found this backyard ballistics test that is rather more scientifically conducted, and (naturally) comes to the opposite conclusion to Alex "Blaring Facets" Jones. But one that makes perfect (even common) sense. I too noticed his botched high shot, interpreted as "evidence".

What a maroon.

That's a nice write-up on that page. Though, I think they were using the Cheney accident as a convenient excuse to go shoot up some random grocery purchases

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

One of my old college roomates is now one of Cheney's Secret Service agents and was with him that day. I can assure you it was due to an accident, but of course my personal connection to the case probably automatically makes me suspect in the CT'er mind.

What's his name? I'd like to interview him for an article.

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

There's a response up on his site. Did you send this?

Quote:
You do realize that Alex Jones is a conspiracy nut nut who thinks the Jews did 9/11 and not a ballistics expert, yes?

When has Alex Jones said the Jews did 9/11?

 

[gumboot]

One of my old college roomates is now one of Cheney's Secret Service agents and was with him that day. I can assure you it was due to an accident, but of course my personal connection to the case probably automatically makes me suspect in the CT'er mind.

He wasn't around on 9/11 was he? Boy that would be a good explanation to get as far as all the shoot-down, Mineta, Richard Clarke garbage.

-Gumboot

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

He wasn't around on 9/11 was he? Boy that would be a good explanation to get as far as all the shoot-down, Mineta, Richard Clarke garbage.

-Gumboot

Richard Clarke's garbage? What, the immediate accusations that it was Bin Laden? And his contacting the media immediately with his Bin Laden hypothesis? Garbage, indeed. MOLE garbage.

 

[gumboot]

Richard Clarke's garbage? What, the immediate accusations that it was Bin Laden? And his contacting the media immediately with his Bin Laden hypothesis? Garbage, indeed. MOLE garbage.

You misread my post. The garbage collectively relates to Mineta, the shoot-down order, and Richard Clarke.

There are a number of discrepancies between these and other sources, and 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists seem to think they're significant. The "garbage" is the conclusions they draw from these discrepancies.

-Gumboot

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

You misread my post. The garbage collectively relates to Mineta, the shoot-down order, and Richard Clarke.

There are a number of discrepancies between these and other sources, and 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists seem to think they're significant. The "garbage" is the conclusions they draw from these discrepancies.

-Gumboot

OK, got it. I did misread.

But Clarke is still a mole. He is the one who started the Bin Laden train.

 

[The Doc]

OK, got it. I did misread.

But Clarke is still a mole. He is the one who started the Bin Laden train.

Several terrorism experts were interviewed on national TV before the collapse of either tower. A majority said the attacks show several al Qaeda trademarks and that Bin Laden was likely responsible.

 

[Liszt]

Here´s Ace of Seven´s pearl of wisdom (again)

Quote:
You do realize that Alex Jones is a conspiracy nut nut who thinks the Jews did 9/11 and not a ballistics expert, yes?

No, he claims the NWO did it. If a CTist had made such a simplistic mistake, he would have been torn apart. Not to mention that this "mistake" ´paints Jones as a rasict (he is, of course, merely an idiot).

Liszt, please review your membership agreement regarding civility; do not personalize things by offering insults. Attack the argument and not the person. I have edited and removed the inappropriate remarks, even though the member is not active in this thread at this time.

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[Myriad]

Yes, and let's not have any of your high jinks, monkeyshines, or shenanigans either.

And get off my lawn!!

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Big Les]

Yeah, you rube! You maroon!

PS I resurrected this thread, Liszt - Ace_of_sevens originally posted 9 months ago.

 

[Liszt]

Yeah, you rube! You maroon!

PS I resurrected this thread, Liszt - Ace_of_sevens originally posted 9 months ago.

Thanks. It is a shame, there could have been a hullabaloo if he was still around.

 

[jmercer]

Everyone - please keep in mind that the CT sub-forum is currently under a much more stringent interpretation of the membership agreement at this time. Please read the sticky in this sub-forum for details.

Thanks.

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