Chemtrails again

[Trakar]

post this over there

Nice piece, I wish there were a slightly more "mature"/conservative version of this available. In its current form, due to both some of the language and imagery it wouldn't be appropriate for many forums.

 

[Trakar]

In my discussions at the old LC Forum, the reality of chemtrails was accepted by a very high percentage of them. Probably like 60% thought it was definitely true, but an additional 25% thought it was quite possible.

A similar thing for the JFK assassination conspiracy idea. It would be interesting to do a full psychological assessment on the lot of them. Maybe someday when they're all rounded up into FEMA death camps we can do that.

Well, its been my experience that this mindset spreads these people open to accepting virtually the entire spectrum of conspiracies, they live in a conspiracy world, and let's not forget all the various other woo! (ESP, alien UFOs, Bigfoot, etc.,.)

 

[Father Dagon]

The Pilots for 9/11 Truth are discussing chemtrails?

Do I need any more reason to doubt their "pilot" credentials?

Isn't it piloting to pilot a Cessna sunny days with perfect weather condition?

Or PF9/11T could be Air Force rejects that hasn't even been in a flying airplane.

 

[Swing Dangler]

The buffoons over at P4T are discussing chemtrails again. This time lead by the chief loon. They speculate with paranoia about containers and equipment in an Evergreen International Aircraft, guessing that it's chemicals. Yea, most likely fire suppression chemicals. I wonder why they don't just call Evergreen and ask what's in the containers, instead of spreading paranoid speculation about them on the Interweb. Of course, there's CIA involvement as overwhelming proof of the gubmint poisoning the population.

Some of their examples of Chemtrails are hilarious. Here's the LINK if you want to have some belly laughs.

ROFLMAO those guys I tell ya. Here is one of my favorite recent articles about chemtrails!

Planes, too, can be used to drop chemicals onto clouds to manipulate the weather.

Source: CNN

 

[Aardvark422]

I particularly liked how one of the posters on that Pilot for truth site said that he never sees chemtrails over military no fly zones. Isn't it because it's a no fly zone that there aren't any planes to make contrails?? I have lived near several military bases, MCAS Miramar, Pendleton, MCAS New River and Camp Lejeune and there are contrails over our house. Oh NO! Maybe they ARE poisoning the military??

I have tried to get my dad, a HUGE supporter of chemtrails, HAARP etc, to look at evidence online against chemtrails, but he says that anyone can post anything online, so he's just take his truth from Art Bell and the like, thank you very much.

 

[Reheat]

Planes, too, can be used to drop chemicals onto clouds to manipulate the weather.

This is related to CONSPIRACY, how?

This is related to the OP, how?

 

[DavidJames]

This is related to CONSPIRACY, how?

This is related to the OP, how?

In the mind of a CTists it's proof enough.

 

[peteweaver]

Clouds can be seeded, to make them prematurely rain. So what Swing ?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Death to the clouds!!!!

 

[sts60]

ROFLMAO those guys I tell ya. Here is one of my favorite recent articles about chemtrails!

Source: CNN

Ham-fisted attempt at sarcasm noted. I suppose that's what passes for clever in CT circles.

Of course, Googling up a vaguely-kinda-sounds-like the same thing-article in the popular press is a favorite tactic of those who don't really understand the subject. I see it a lot of this in the Apollo hoax claims - usually something like CNN reporting NASA is studying "killer electrons", ergo radiation is lethal to astronauts!!111eleventyone! Same thing here; same lack of understanding of the differences between the iffy "science" of weather modification, and the ludicrous notion that one could effectively apply agents to a target population from tens of thousands of feet in the air.

Of course, then there's a few small problems like the utter lack of evidence for the program and the vast infrastructure it would require, the fact that not one of the legions of participants required ever decides to gain worldwide fame by blowing the whistle, and the fact that no coherent motive can even be proposed for such a scheme. Hey... what do you know, chemtrails are just like the Apollo hoax and the 9/11 "inside job"! No wonder so many of the terminally clueless and paranoid are drawn to all of these notions.

 

[Father Dagon]

Is there a serious study on the inefficiency of chemical and biological warfare online?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Chemtrails are so last year. Actually they are mostly pre-9/11.

But here is my favorite chemmie

Cliff Carnicom

His message board is a hoot. There was one poster, Sonny Growl, who would show up every four months and post a huge list of all the license plate numbers of cars, vans, and trucks that he was convinced were deliberately "spraying" him with noxious fumes and gasses.

 

[Reheat]

Is there a serious study on the inefficiency of chemical and biological warfare online?

I doubt it, at least in the anything close to the thoroughness for which you are looking.

I see you're taking this stuff seriously.

Even a rudimentary knowledge of the effects of Chemical or Biological Weapons reveals that they are very ineffective unless delivered at close range to people in a concentrated package. That's why ALL of the C and B weapons are in the form of "bombs". They disperse very quickly even at ground level. Most of them actually need to come into contact with skin or be breathed in close proximity to the source to be effective.

That's precisely why the military uses rather small zones in an affected area. Activity outside of the specific zones affected is not inhibited by a C &/or B attack. In other words, during an attack and until the nature of the attack is discovered the military will go into a C&B protective mode in all areas of an installation. After the attack C&B search teams go out in search of weapons. If none are found in that area, unprotected work may resume. Only in the specific areas where weapons are found and identified will activity continue in a C&B protective mode.

To believe that any Chemical or Biological Weapon can be effectively delivered in a gaseous form from high altitude is ignorant and pure paranoid lunacy. The vast majority of it would disperse at altitude and very little in an effective amount would reach the surface.

Don't waste your time researching. It is idiotic idea and not worthy of anything more than a chuckle at how stupid some people can be.

 

[1337m4n]

Here's my question.

Almost all contrails appear above 25,000 feet, right?

So. If they really did contain hazardous chemicals, about how densely packed would the chemical clouds be by the time they reached the ground (if they EVER reached the ground)?




ETA: And how come we haven't seen any sudden breakouts of anthrax or smallpox or Black Plague in regions that get a lot of air traffic?

 

[Reheat]

Almost all contrails appear above 25,000 feet, right?

For those caused by engine exhaust, yes that is correct. (I've seen them much lower in Canada during the winter.) They can also appear from rapid pressure drop as in contrails coming from the wings or other parts of an aircraft. Those can occur at low altitude under the right high humidity conditions.

So. If they really did contain hazardous chemicals, about how densely packed would the chemical clouds be by the time they reached the ground (if they EVER reached the ground)?

See above. Not very effective at all. Chemical affects would be virtually nil, but biological effects from some toxins would be more, however, not in the numbers that would be effective based on the costs of delivery.

ETA: Bear in mind that any high altitude aerial type delivery of anything is essentially uncontrolled and would effect everyone, even the evil NWO which uses this tactic because they have lots of money. Haven't you received your Chemical Protective Gear yet? You must be behind on your dues! You'd better pay up or you'll die along with the rest of the sheeple.

 

[sts60]

See above. Not very effective at all. Chemical affects would be virtually nil, but biological effects from some toxins would be more, however, not in the numbers that would be effective based on the costs of delivery.

And let's not forget about inactivation by UV (as well as the general inhospitality of the high-altitude environment for bioagents).

 

[Reheat]

And let's not forget about inactivation by UV (as well as the general inhospitality of the high-altitude environment for bioagents).

Yes, there are several more reasons I didn't mention for bioagents to lose effectiveness if delivered from high altitude. UV, Winds aloft dispersal, short life span in the cold environment, not enough concentration to be effective due to distance. There are other reasons it's not practical, but I'm by no means an expert in this area. However, I suppose I've had more training than most civilians.

To be effective from aerial delivery any agent, chemical or biological would need to be delivered from VERY LOW altitude. A good example would be the C-123's in SEA who delivered Agent Orange for defoliation. That was delivered at near tree top level. As a side note most of the crewmembers of those aircraft were affected by the Agent Orange similar to those on the ground under the spray. That's a good example of the uncontrolled nature of this type of delivery. Everyone is affected even those dispensing it.

It is simply not practical to achieve anything worthwhile for anyone to deliver agents from high altitude be they a nefarious Government, enemy combatants in warfare or terrorists. It is a ridiculous idea from the very beginning.

 

[dudalb]

No One Tell Swing that planes can be used to spray insecticides over crops. He would go postal.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Chemtrails are real man! Here is one spraying dihydrogen monoxide

Wow - do you know that if you try to inhale that stuff, you will almost inevitably die? And it's found in like 100% of poisons.

You think that is bad, in my city they pump it directly into everyone's house. Bastards!

In my town, they do that and then charge us for it!

 

[Hyperviolet]

Chemtrails are definitely King Woo.
A bastion of stupidity.