Cheap, safe cure for most cancers?

OK after thinking about it, there is a lot of twisty meaning in all that spench. So rather than discuss a cheap safe cure for cancer, or the Media not talking about it, focus on what I meant, rather than the issues. Don't add your take on it, talk about my take.

heh

That is how science works, you know? Not looking at the data, but the person presenting it. Then we can post pictures of our cats.
 
There is a chance that no scandals will be involved, no pharmaceutical company will make billions, so why should the media cover it?

When does the mainstream media ever cover something like this?
 
temporalillusion said:
I heard the guy on the local radio here in Calgary, and he made it sound that way.

I'm not positive about the whole "it's not patentable" though.. sure it's not a new drug that you can patent by itself, but using an existing compound in a new way is definitely patentable. The guy said it was possible to patent it but it would be a weak patent; too weak.

The problem I guess is if it isn't patentable and the drug will be cheap to make, everyone could do it so no one will make any money, so who would put in the hundreds of millions required to go through all the clinical trials?
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They can certainly patent the new use for the old compound - I was just teaching about that yesterday! The trick with such a patent is proving that the old compound is being used for the new purpose, which, if it's being used in a cancer clinic, would be pretty easy, I think.

Now, if this was an over-the-counter drug, tracking the use would be harder. Anyone know what controls are in place for this drug?
 
robinson said:
I would venture clinics are being set up in Mexico as we type.
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They already have a cheap, quick cancer cure in Mexico but they may not know it yet or maybe they do:

Capsaicin -- the compound that makes chili peppers spicy -- can kill cancer cells without harming healthy cells, with no side effects, according to a new study by researchers at Nottingham University in the UK.

The study, led by Dr. Timothy Bates, found that capsaicin killed laboratory-grown lung and pancreatic cancer cells by attacking tumor cells' source of energy and triggering cell-suicide.

"This is incredibly exciting and may explain why people living in countries like Mexico and India, who traditionally eat a diet which is very spicy, tend to have lower incidences of many cancers that are prevalent in the Western world," Bates said.

http://www.newstarget.com/021449.html
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Don't rush out to start on a chili pepper diet, so far it has only worked on cancer cells in vitro.
 
JJM said:
People are desperately, and unfortunately, trying to find sources of DCA even though they don't know how much to take, or how long, or for what cancer.
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/02/where_to_buy_dichloroacetate_dca.php#more
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Not only do people not know whether it works or not as well as dosing information, they also don't knbow what form of DCA to take. According to the Sigma-Aldrich database you can choose your poison from a selection of at least ten:

Ethyl dichloroacetate (1)
Methyl dichloroacetate (2)
Methyl dichloroacetate solution (1)
Methyl dichloroacetate-1-13C (1)
Potassium dichloroacetate (1)
Sodium dichloroacetate (1)
5-ALPHA-CHOLESTAN-3-BETA-YL DICHLOROACETATE (1)
ANDROST-5-EN-3-BETA-YL DICHLOROACETATE (1)
CHOLEST-5-EN-3-BETA-YL DICHLOROACETATE (1)
ETHYL DICHLOROACETATE (1)
 
SteveGrenard said:
Don't rush out to start on a chili pepper diet, so far it has only worked on cancer cells in vitro.
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Actually, the reason that capsaicin was investigated was that someone noticed that populations with high rates of capsaicin consumption (Indian, Central and South American, Thai, among others) had considerably lower rates of GI tract cancers (mouth, throat, stomach, intenstinal, colo-rectal). So eating lots of spicy foods may help prevent those, at least.

If nothing else, it's a good excuse to eat more curry. :D (Not like I need an excuse. Hrm... I should make a big pot of my sopa de frijoles negros y tomatillo, with extra habaneros.)
 
robinson,

Do you have a boilerplate for trolling the boards? First on the HIV/AIDS thread, now this one?

Seriously, the history of cancer research is littered with drugs that shrunk tumors in rats or killed cancer cells in a test tube - but ended up with little or no use in humans. This isn't as much about "conspiracy" as it is about the science being far, far from settled.
 
luchog said:
Actually, the reason that capsaicin was investigated was that someone noticed that populations with high rates of capsaicin consumption (Indian, Central and South American, Thai, among others) had considerably lower rates of GI tract cancers (mouth, throat, stomach, intenstinal, colo-rectal).
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Good point. Interesting that the mechanism for killing cancer with Capsaicin is similiar to DCA, effecting the Mitochondria.

Bates and his research team found that when cancer cells were treated with capsaicin, the chili pepper compound attacked the tumor cells' mitochondria -- which generate ATP, the chemical that creates energy within the body. Capsaicin also bound to certain proteins within the cancer cells and triggered apoptosis -- natural cell death.
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http://www.newstarget.com/021449.html

Dr Bates added that the mitochondria in cancer cells could also be targeted by other compounds.

He said the investigation and development of anti-mitochondrial drugs for cancer chemotherapy was likely to be "extremely significant" in the fight against cancer.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6244715.stm

From a development view this discovery is exciting for two reasons. First, because capsaicin and related compounds already exist in food that is eaten regularly, they are already safe, readily available and not unknown. Secondly, and perhaps more importantly as far as development costs and timescales go, these compounds have already been approved for use in a range of drugs such as skin ointments to treat psoriasis and neuralgia. Converting their use to treat cancer would be much cheaper and quicker compared to starting from scratch with a new compound.
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http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=60504


I can see it now. People are going to start eating more chili peppers.


Then there is this,
THURSDAY, March 16, 2006 (HealthDay News) -- Capsaicin, the component that gives jalapeno peppers their heat, may also kill prostate cancer cells, a new study suggests.

Initial experiments in cancer cells and mice show that capsaicin causes prostate cancer cells to undergo a kind of suicide. Researchers speculate that, in the future, pills containing capsaicin might be used as therapy to prevent prostate cancer's return.

According to their report, capsaicin caused almost 80 percent of prostate cancer cells in the mice to die. In addition, prostate cancer tumors treated with capsaicin were about one-fifth the size of tumors in untreated mice.
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http://www.healthfinder.gov/newsletters/cancer032706.asp#594815

And this
Capsaicin, a Component of Red Peppers, Inhibits the Growth of Androgen-Independent, p53 Mutant Prostate Cancer Cells
[Cancer Research 66, 3222-3229, March 15, 2006]
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http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/66/6/3222

Gosh, it isn't even new research. I have documents claiming is effective at treating Cancer, and other diseases, that date back to the 19th century. (which was considered woo of course)
 
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I'm not kidding about peppers and alternative health treatments. It is a very old and very well established medical treatment in many countries, (and considered woo of course).

Capsaicin can stimulate the body without the side effects of synthetic drugs. According to Dr. John R. Christopher in his book, Capsicum, when ingested, capsaicin equalizes circulation, reducing blood flow where it is too heavy and increasing it where diminished, without increasing the heart rate. This equalizing effect is the reason that a teaspoon of cayenne mixed in a glass of water is effective for stopping a nosebleed, and the same remedy has also stabilized lung and uterine hemorrhages as well as other types of internal bleeding.

It has been useful in healing bruises (applied topically or taken internally) and varicose veins, and has reportedly played an instrumental part in re-establishing circulation to limbs affected by frostbite and diabetes. While some people sprinkle a little cayenne powder inside their shoes to keep their feet warm, an internal dose will bring warmth and circulation to feet as well as to hands that are chronically cold.
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http://www.fiery-foods.com/dave/healing2.html

There is even a natural treatment based on red pepper, which was debunked long ago. Despite all the evidence that it seemed to wok on some cancers, as well as other conditions.

I wouldn't have ever brought it up on this forum, because of the rabid insulting responses it would garner. Probably still will.

Don't mention a lot of stuff here, because who needs a bunch of anonymous cranks attacking you for mentioning stuff?
 
This cancer cure has been around, apparently, for 6000 years:


New evidence found by biologists shows that people living in the spicier regions of the world were eating chili peppers as early as 4000 BCE. What's more, they were using them in very much the same ways and the same regions as they are today.

Some regions of South America today have a largely maize-based diet often spiced with chili peppers. New research shows similar food was being eaten 6000 years ago.

Researchers, including a paleoethnobotanist at the University of Missouri-Columbia, recently found fossil evidence in seven archaeological sites ranging from the Bahamas to present-day Peru that showed people were eating domesticated chili peppers as long as 6,000 years ago. This makes chili peppers one of the oldest domesticated food sources in the Americas. The study will be published in the Feb. 15 edition of the journal Science.

itnews.com
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Darat said:
Governments, large charities and so on.
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Or perhaps companies who spend billions on advertising and Public Relations?

"Sir, we have a great idea! Let's cure cancer for free. We won't make any money, but think of the PR!"

"What, are you nuts? We can't afford that, we need the money to buy another spot on the SuperBowl."
 
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