Charles Manson follower denied parole again

[Mojo]

I actually have the most sympathy for her. But I still think what she did was horrific and she should serve out her sentence.

I'm inclined to agree, but that isn't what you were arguing.

If she had gotten LWOPP this would be a non issue.

Indeed, but she didn't. So she has exactly the same rights regarding parole as any other lifer who is not on LWOPP.

 

[Mojo]

Are you aware that she's been out of prison for a while and then was reconvicted?

That's another possible reason for denying parole, but it isn't the reason you gave for denying parole.

 

[truethat]

I'm inclined to agree, but that isn't what you were arguing.




Indeed, but she didn't. So she has exactly the same rights regarding parole as any other lifer who is not on LWOPP.

She got those rights by a loophole in the system. She wasn't given Life with the possibility of parole, she got it because of a technicality. If you want to argue that "so what" she got it. Fine, so what. Ok that's what you think. Why are you trying to debate? I agree to disagree.

 

[KatieG]

What is confusing to you about this? You then took that statement and generalized it to other situations and other prisoners. I am not talking about them. I am talking about HER.

I don't understand your confusion here?


Are you aware that she's been out of prison for a while and then was reconvicted?

Who are you talking about?

 

[Monza]

I also tend to think hope(?) LaBianca was already dead, but I'm sure Van Houten was ready and willing to kill her.

I think there is a good possibility that the stab wounds inflicted by Van Houten were post mortem. However, I believe she did help restrain LaBianca so that Watson could stab her. Van Houten also knew what happened the night before when she went to the LaBianca's home. So I agree that she was ready and willing to kill.

 

[truethat]

Who are you talking about?

Leslie Van Houten

 

[KatieG]

Wow, I'd love to hear your input on this case. Perhaps you can share with Mojo.

Curious though, when "parole" happens, is it an automatic thing? Or does she have to apply for it? If she's not applying for it herself then I might change my whole mind about the thing. That would be an entirely different situation.

Parole hearings come up on a schedule. Inmates do not ask for hearings.

I don't Mojo needs any help from me in understanding this case or who Leslie Van Houten is.

 

[truethat]

I think there is a good possibility that the stab wounds inflicted by Van Houten were post mortem. However, I believe she did help restrain LaBianca so that Watson could stab her. Van Houten also knew what happened the night before when she went to the LaBianca's home. So I agree that she was ready and willing to kill.

I forgot about that, that's part of really upset me about the La Bianca's murders is that they knew what had gone on the night before. The Tate murders one could argue accelerated in the heat of the moment. But after those people came home and shared, to go out the next day and do it again, when the entire time any of them could have stopped. Horrific.

 

[truethat]

Parole hearings come up on a schedule. Inmates do not ask for hearings.

I didn't know that. That makes me less annoyed with her then.

 

[KatieG]

Leslie Van Houten

She was out briefly in the 70s. She's been in prison since her third trial, when she was convicted and sent back to serve a life sentence.

 

[truethat]

She was out briefly in the 70s. She's been in prison since her third trial, when she was convicted and sent back to serve a life sentence.

I know. You are the one who asked. Perhaps "has been" was poor wording though. She was let out and then sent back.

 

[KatieG]

I know. You are the one who asked. Perhaps "has been" was poor wording though. She was let out and then sent back.

Are you aware that she's been out of prison for a while and then was reconvicted?

She's been out of prison implies she's been out recently.

 

[truethat]

Are you aware that she's been out of prison for a while and then was reconvicted?

She's been out of prison implies she's been out recently.

I wrote that in the sentence you quoted. Did you read it?

 

[Mojo]

She got those rights by a loophole in the system. She wasn't given Life with the possibility of parole, she got it because of a technicality.

No, while initially she was sentenced to death and that was commuted to life as a result of People v. Anderson, she was sentenced to life with the possibility of parole after the 1977 retrial. You know, when she was (as you put it) "out of prison for a while and then was reconvicted".

 

[KatieG]

No, I have no reading skills at all. None whatsoever. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

 

[Mojo]

No, I have no reading skills at all. None whatsoever. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

It's those pesky words refusing to mean just what truethat chooses them to mean.

 

[desertgal]

I forgot about that, that's part of really upset me about the La Bianca's murders is that they knew what had gone on the night before. The Tate murders one could argue accelerated in the heat of the moment. But after those people came home and shared, to go out the next day and do it again, when the entire time any of them could have stopped. Horrific.

One could? I don't think so. KatieG can correct me if I'm wrong, but The Tate murders were premeditated in the sense that Manson told his followers to go to the house where Terry Melcher had lived and destroy everyone in it, as gruesomely as possible. Which is what they did. They were not "accelerated in the heat of the moment". They were carried out methodically.

Yes. As I stated. She was sentenced to death. As Katie G pointed out she was saved from death by those circumstances. IMO when someone is supposed to die, and then is saved from that, they are getting a "free life" that they are not supposed to have. Going for parole is a selfish motive on top of that.

Huh? "Going for parole" is a standard tactic by every single inmate the law allows it to. But for Leslie Van Houten and the Manson gang, it's somehow "selfish"?

I actually have the most sympathy for her.

Why?

I didn't know that. That makes me less annoyed with her then.

You are "annoyed" with Van Houten for seeking parole?

"Annoyed"? Really?

 

[KatieG]

As far as my paper on the subject is concerned, I wrote that in 1973. 40 years later, 13 moves and the desire to unburden myself of useless junk, it's long gone.

 

[truethat]

One could? I don't think so. KatieG can correct me if I'm wrong, but The Tate murders were premeditated in the sense that Manson told his followers to go to the house where Terry Melcher had lived and destroy everyone in it, as gruesomely as possible. Which is what they did. They were not "accelerated in the heat of the moment". They were carried out methodically.

Oh I agree, but I remember the one girl who wouldn't go inside the house. It wasn't exactly planned out "how" they would murder them. The other witch Susan Atkins, whatever, got creative and the guy stabbing them until the woman said "You can stop stabbing me now, I'm dead already." I can't stand these people. She tried to get parole as well. I was very happy she died in jail.

She had no real remorse about what she did, she pretended she did too. They make my skin crawl.

 

[truethat]

Huh? "Going for parole" is a standard tactic by every single inmate the law allows it to. But for Leslie Van Houten and the Manson gang, it's somehow "selfish"?

Yep. That's how I see it.

Like this, If I had done the same thing and eventually came to my senses and really understood the ramifications of what I had done. If had been sentenced to death and by some loophole was given another chance at life. If I really grasped the enormity of my crime, I would not further burden society by spending money on parole hearings. I would not drag the families of the victims down over and over again and have them go through it again and again.

I'd find a way to do my time and give back to society and die in prison.