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Changes To The Challenge

The Atheist said:
For christ's sake, someone either spill the beans or make a decision. Can't be too hard, guys. Look, I'm not trying to rattle anyone's cage here (believe it as you see fit) but this is all beginning to look a bit ordinary from a professional organisation.
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Yes, I could rush this.. get something out right away to appease you. OR.. we could take it very carefully and do the right thing.

I probably shouldn't have said within the next week, because I've seen enough of these imminent decisions take longer, but mea culpa, I did.

A week has passed, and we're not ready to release the info. When we are, you will be informed.
 
Jeff Wagg said:
Yes, I could rush this.. get something out right away to appease you. OR.. we could take it very carefully and do the right thing.

I probably shouldn't have said within the next week, because I've seen enough of these imminent decisions take longer, but mea culpa, I did.

A week has passed, and we're not ready to release the info. When we are, you will be informed.
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Not looking to appease me, but thanks for the thought!:)

Hey, there's nothing wrong with a "we're not quite ready" my point was the timing and you've covered that, thanks.

I'm 100% anal about keeping appointments/deadlines, sorry!
 
Jeff Wagg said:
Yes, I could rush this.. get something out right away to appease you. OR.. we could take it very carefully and do the right thing.

I probably shouldn't have said within the next week, because I've seen enough of these imminent decisions take longer, but mea culpa, I did.

A week has passed, and we're not ready to release the info. When we are, you will be informed.
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Glad to hear it.

Regular updates on the decision process could help provide transparence.
 
Jeff Wagg said:
Yes, I could rush this.. get something out right away to appease you. OR.. we could take it very carefully and do the right thing.

I probably shouldn't have said within the next week, because I've seen enough of these imminent decisions take longer, but mea culpa, I did.

A week has passed, and we're not ready to release the info. When we are, you will be informed.
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Slacker.
 
The Atheist said:
...which by my calendar shows today to be 7/11/06. That would be 8 days, which, unless USA has robbed weeks as well as how to write the date,...
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hehehe Seems like you're the one robbing weeks, since my calendar shows today to be only 10/6/06...

(if it's any comfort, when I write the date I infuriate people by writing "06 October 06")
 
hcmom said:
hehehe Seems like you're the one robbing weeks, since my calendar shows today to be only 10/6/06...

(if it's any comfort, when I write the date I infuriate people by writing "06 October 06")
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Crikey, you know it's first thing in the morning when you don't even know what month it is!
(I'll quietly go and edit that!)
 
say i claimed i can move biscuits with my mind, obtained signed affidats from professional types backing up my claim, and agreed on an experimental proceedure that i and JREF were happy with.....

How many applications actually get to this processing stage in an average year?

And how many in a year get beyond the processing to actually conduct an experiment?

Who incurs the costs (time/money) for processing claims/setting up an experiment?

I don't normally post in this part of the forum, so i'd be interested in how it all works

many thanks :D

(and i really can move biscuits with my mind - but not jaffa cakes (they're not real biscuits))
 
andyandy said:
say i claimed i can move biscuits with my mind, obtained signed affidats from professional types backing up my claim, and agreed on an experimental proceedure that i and JREF were happy with.....

How many applications actually get to this processing stage in an average year?

And how many in a year get beyond the processing to actually conduct an experiment?

Who incurs the costs (time/money) for processing claims/setting up an experiment?

I don't normally post in this part of the forum, so i'd be interested in how it all works

many thanks :D

(and i really can move biscuits with my mind - but not jaffa cakes (they're not real biscuits))
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Read the FAQ.

Sheesh!

http://www.randi.org/research/faq.html
 
andyandy said:
say i claimed i can move biscuits with my mind, obtained signed affidavits from professional types backing up my claim, and agreed on an experimental procedure that i and JREF were happy with.....

How many applications actually get to this processing stage in an average year?

many thanks :D

(and i really can move biscuits with my mind - but not jaffa cakes (they're not real biscuits))
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As far as I can tell only one person has ever produced three affidavits. They were all written by himself. People tend to go away when asked for them. So I do not see much point in changing the procedures.
 
ben m said:
A nice way to proceed might be to have---in addition to ongoing, "proactive" needling of public charlatans, "Grand Challenge Days" for the man-on-the-street. Randi might set the rules---most people, after all, fall into three or four simple types of test---and invite open applications, for annual competitions. Test dowsers one year, astrologers/readers the next year, and ESP applicants the following year. A single test protocol could be announced; all applicants could be invited to show up at the same place, or he could take the show on the road. It'd be great publicity---both in the educational "Look, everyone, ESP doesn't exist" mode, and in the anti-charlatan "Sylvia, dozens of psychics have agreed to next weeks' simple test: why won't you?" mode.

This would exclude the one-of-a-kind cases---the "egg detector", the "I materialize bits of trash by rail lines"---and people put off by the travel. And it presumably means less entertainment in the forums. But I can see it appealing to JREF, and carrying out its mission better than the status quo. Heck, taking the Challenge on the road would be a great reality show. "American Psychic". "America's Next Top Dowser".
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ooo - I vote for a tv show - like mythbusters, but with psychics. How many tv episodes can you get for nearly 2 million dollars?
 
Paradigms ---------- Trouble

With a capital P and that rhymes with T and that stands for TROUBLE...
 
rjh01 said:
As far as I can tell only one person has ever produced three affidavits. They were all written by himself. People tend to go away when asked for them. So I do not see much point in changing the procedures.
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that was the reason i asked - if (as it appears) so few people actually get to the testing stage, then wouldn't the current proceedures be sufficient to allow all-comers to apply? Inclusivity rather than exclusivity would seem to serve JREF best - otherwise people'll just start to wheel out "I can move biscuits with my mind - but JREF won't test me." And whilst i'm sure many try this defence already, their claims will have greater resonance if indeed JREF won't test them......

of course, all speculation until we see what the changes are......
 
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