"Challenging the World's Atheists" site

[Pauliesonne]

Do you believe in murder?

Who would I be murdering?

George Bush......

PLEASE MAKE IT BE GEORGE BUSH OR FRED PHELPS!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Iacchus]

Yes, and he who has it in his heart has already committed it.

 

[RandFan]

Yes, and he who has it in his heart has already committed it.

I don't think so. The law certainly doesn't think so. This leaves religious philosophy.

"All Have Sinned and Fall Short of the Glory of God" --Romans 3:23

"And we are all become as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags..." --Isaiah 64:6

So what difference does it make?

 

[Iacchus]

I don't think so. The law certainly doesn't think so. This leaves religious philosophy.

Yes, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

"All Have Sinned and Fall Short of the Glory of God" --Romans 3:23

"And we are all become as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags..." --Isaiah 64:6

Then God's creation of man is pointless? While I agree, there is none good but God.

So what difference does it make?

It could make the difference of whether someone is dead or alive.

 

[RandFan]

Yes, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

? Sorry? Do you see this as some catch all response? I'm familiar with the scripture but it really doesn't apply here.

I'm demonstrating that humans are sufficiently enlightened enough in this day and age to avoid such vapid conclusions as intent equals action. My point ISN'T that there is a law that we are bound to obey by virtue of law. My point is that humans base this particular legal concept on reason. That fact simply has nothing whatsoever with rendering unto to Caesar. If you are stuck on that then simply remove Caesar.

Humans certainly aren't so stupid as to conflate intent and reality for good reason.

Then God's creation of man is pointless?

Begging the question. Logically fallacious. Assumes facts not in evidence.

While I agree, there is none good but God.

Not the point! Following the logic of your premise, to god, murder is substantively no different than any other sin.

It could make the difference of whether someone is dead or alive.

{sigh} No, Iacchus, the question is relative to the context of your premise. What's the point as it relates to your premise?

1.) You argue that the desire to murder is the same as murder.
2.) I point out that sin is sin and therefore as far as your point goes it is irrelevant because we all sin.

Assuming #2 why bother to point out #1?

 

[Beerina]

Epileptic = evil?

Posessed by the demons, duh! You don't get any more evil than that.

 

[Bone_Vulture]

Posessed by the demons, duh! You don't get any more evil than that.

Yeah, and being left-handed? Don't even get me started.

 

[Iacchus]

Yeah, and being left-handed? Don't even get me started.

Well, on the hand you have what's right, and on the other you have what's left ...

 

[pgwenthold]

The Bible speaks neither of rape nor seduction in this episode. It specifically mentions that Lot was asleep and unaware of the entire thing. (Gen 19:33, Gen 19:35)

(Which makes it no less ewwy.)

Yeah, the excuse of every drunken rapist. "She threw herself at me!"

Let's see, Lot is a drunk, his daughters get pregnant despite there being no other men around. He uses the, "They took advantage of me" defense. And people buy it!

Try that today and see how far it gets.

 

[Beerina]

Yeah, and being left-handed? Don't even get me started.

You sinister bastard! Get the hell away from me!

Hence the bar sinister, a leftward-slanting bar, per my favorite Underdog bad guy, Simon Bar Sinister.