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"Challenging the World's Atheists" site

jimtron

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I stumbled upon this heartwarming site, which responds to the Evil Bible site.

A few gems:

"Evil Bible's" Assertion:

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

* 10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

The Refiner's Fire Response: Perhaps that is because the "thousands of gods" are false. God gave us the choice to either believe in Him, or not. Through chosen prophets, He "breathed" the Bible into being, and most other world religions and their various denominations have borrowed Bible Scriptures in order to formulate their respective "religions".
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And:

Firstly, Allah is a demon god who expects YOU to die for HIM (while Yeshua is a God Who died for YOU!) and Islam is a religion started by a murdering, thieving, epileptic pedophile called Mohammed.
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It's all about love, man.
 
Firstly, Allah is a demon god who expects YOU to die for HIM (while Yeshua is a God Who died for YOU!) and Islam is a religion started by a murdering, thieving, epileptic pedophile called Mohammed.
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Epileptic? What's that got to do with anything? Is that meant to be an insult? Tell that to someone who is suffering with that condition and ask them how they feel.

Are the fundies still dragging up the whole Muhammad-was-a-pedophile nonsense? May I remind them that not to long ago it was perfectly acceptable for women to marry in their early teens? (Just like a certain "virgin" the Christians seem to admire.)
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
Epileptic? What's that got to do with anything? Is that meant to be an insult? Tell that to someone who is suffering with that condition and ask them how they feel.

Are the fundies still dragging up the whole Muhammad-was-a-pedophile nonsense? May I remind them that not to long ago it was perfectly acceptable for women to marry in their early teens? (Just like a certain "virgin" the Christians seem to admire.)
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I wonder how you distinguish between a false prophet and an authentic one? Rev. Moon claims to be a messiah; how do we know he's not and Jesus is?

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jimtron said:
I wonder how you distinguish between a false prophet and a authentic one? Rev. Moon claims to be a messiah; how do we know he's not and Jesus is?
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Errrrr... because his followers say so.;)

I don't buy Muhammad any more than I do Jesus. However, at least I actually try to learn their history and the particulars of their faiths before I talk about them.
 
One interesting difference between Christians and Muslims is that the Christians just seem to be unable to see the child brides (and concubines) in their tradition, or else say something like "that was wrong but God allowed it because everyone else was doing it," but Muslims (conservative Muslims at least) see this as justification for child marriage, despite the fact that they are obviously evil.

In defense of the Muslims, I must point out that there are still a few Christian sects practicing polygamy and child rape.
 
"despite the fact that they are obviously evil."

What does 'they' refer to here? Child brides/concubines? If so, how are they obviously evil?
 
ChristineR said:
In defense of the Muslims, I must point out that there are still a few Christian sects practicing polygamy and child rape.
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Now this is one statement that I really think needs a little evidentiary backing.
 
ChristineR said:
One interesting difference between Christians and Muslims is that the Christians just seem to be unable to see the child brides (and concubines) in their tradition, or else say something like "that was wrong but God allowed it because everyone else was doing it," but Muslims (conservative Muslims at least) see this as justification for child marriage, despite the fact that they are obviously evil.

In defense of the Muslims, I must point out that there are still a few Christian sects practicing polygamy and child rape.
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Ahh, speaking of polygamy, I found another site responding to Bible critics, which defends Luke 14:26: "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

Here's the response from this site:
To some this passage is quite difficult, for it appears to contradict other biblical injunctions which require love for family, both physical and spiritual (cf. Ephesians 5:25; 1 John 2:11).

In ancient times, however, the term “hate” was frequently employed idiomatically to denote simply the preference of one thing over another. For example, in Genesis 29:31 it is said that Jacob “hated” his wife Leah, and yet, the context makes it very clear that he merely loved his other wife Rachel “more than” Leah (v. 30).
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It's so easy to confuse "hate" with simply loving one wife more than another.
 
Should have said "it" or "polygamy and child marriage."

As for the numbers, I haven't found any good censuses, but I did find estimates of about 35,000-60,000 Mormon polygamists and about 14,000 non-Mormon Christian polygamists. If you start at Wikipedia or Google you'll find many a child bride.
 
Roboramma said:
Would we call Mormon fundamentalists a christian sect?
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"The Handbook of Denominations" says that LDS is neither Protestant nor Catholic, so I don't know if they are Christian in the According to Hoyle sense of Christian. Their tradition is certainly not within the Apostolic Tradition, so, by this rule, I would say no--- though you may not get any Mormons to go along with this.
 
jimtron said:
I haven't checked this out closely, but here's a page that cites cases of ritual Christian child abuse.
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The site cites child abuse in regards to the ritual of exorcism about which I have no knowledge whatsoever. But it was the alleged purposeful and ongoing practice of Christian child rape in ChristineR's post that sounds more than unbelievable.
 
Underaged marriage is standard in the polygamous psuedo-Mormon communities, and probably in the polygamous non-Morman communities as well. Girls are normally given to a man as soon as they hit puberty. It's part of the cycle of reinforcement and punishment that holds these groups together.
 
Mark A. Siefert said:
Are the fundies still dragging up the whole Aisha#Young_marriage_age_controversy"]Muhammad-was-a-pedophile nonsense[/URL]? May I remind them that not to long ago it was perfectly acceptable for women to marry in their early teens? (Just like a certain "virgin" the Christians seem to admire.)
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Im no fundie, and I dont like xians anymore than muslims, but I dont know what you are trying to say

Muhammed was (supposedly) the example for ALL men for ALL time

and yeah, 6 is a little young

Just because a xian says it doesnt mean its wrong, ah jeeze did that just come out of my mouth??? :) but its true

Muhammed was some serious evil ooze! That bible thumpers may have been just as evil or worse doesnt change that
 
Just browsing that site (a Messianic Jewish website!), you do find some amusing stuff. eg:
I have been told that Jewish people are different than other races by way of blood makeup. Is this true? I know this sounds strange but helps in my discussion. I have been told that this is why we can never be Jewish but are grafted into the family.

Thanks, Tim

Dear Tim:

Thank you for writing to The Refiner's Fire!

It's not the blood that is different, but it apparently has been confirmed by scientists that an unusual gene has been found in certain Jews - especially the ones with the last name of Cohen or Cohan, which in the olden days, were the priests...
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Umm, I wonder where THIS little gem will be taken by the unscrupulous and idiotic!
 
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