Challenge to William Rodriguez

3bodyproblem said:
LashL- i meant the side thread. had enigma responded in like fashion this issue would have been dropped. your response was direct, honest and fair.
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Had I responded in like fashion after being called a hoser I would have been banned....do you understand that? Now please refrain from using my name or addressing me directly as I will do the same.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
explosions <> explosives

It means that...
... if a witness reported hearing a loud noise and called it an explosion we can not conclude it was caused by an explosion
... if a witness reported seeing an explosion we can not conclude it was caused by an explosive
... the term "explosion" and "explosive" can not be used interchangeably
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I am not saying we can conclude anything by 1 or 2 reports, I am saying if someone does report a loud noise...we should look into it. I realize just because someone saw an explosion, it doesn't mean an "explosive" device of some sort caused it. However, if you have trained professionals looking at the so called squibs in the towers for examples and they say it is a squib...that's a good piece of evidence for a squib, but it doesn't prove it, since it's not overwhelming evidence. I am looking at the percentages Arkan, the odds that 10 or so small "explosions" went off in the corner of WTC7 right before it fell indicates that something odd happend to the building, doesn't prove explosives were planted, but it seems odd and deserves futher investigation. The odds that building 7 would fall nearly straight into its own footprint is slim, even for some CD's. I have read the debunking 911 site and seen his view of wtc7. Since it was a tube in tube design, and weak structural foundation, the slightest debris (compared to many other buildings) would loosen the fireproofing, then the fire would melt the steel, and the building fall in such a way that no other building around it were damaged by its fall (near perfect implosion). It does seem a littly fishy!

Has anyone heard more from John Kerry about his so called confession of an imposion on wtc7? or anything from Nick Rockefeller about his confession to Aaron Russo that this war on terror is a hoax and he hinted that 911 was planned by the global elite (or they atleast knew it was going to happen if we want to be nice to them)?
 
israelside said:
However, if you have trained professionals looking at the so called squibs in the towers for examples and they say it is a squib...that's a good piece of evidence for a squib, but it doesn't prove it, since it's not overwhelming evidence.
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You don't know what a "squib" is do you?

-Gumboot
 
israelside said:
I am not saying we can conclude anything by 1 or 2 reports, I am saying if someone does report a loud noise...we should look into it.
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So why don't you? I have.

I realize just because someone saw an explosion, it doesn't mean an "explosive" device of some sort caused it. However, if you have trained professionals looking at the so called squibs in the towers for examples and they say it is a squib...that's a good piece of evidence for a squib, but it doesn't prove it, since it's not overwhelming evidence.
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Here's a simple task for you: calculate the average speed of the prominent "squib" that appears on the eastern portion of the north face of the north tower, about 10 stories below the impact area. I have done so, and I'll be glad to compare notes with you. I'm curious as to why you folks haven't done this very basic research in the past 5 1/2 years.

I am looking at the percentages Arkan, the odds that 10 or so small "explosions" went off in the corner of WTC7 right before it fell indicates that something odd happend to the building, doesn't prove explosives were planted, but it seems odd and deserves futher investigation.
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Are you speaking of the puffs of smoke that appear from the damaged southwest corner, near the top? Can you explain:

1) Why you think it's not dust and debris being pushed out by the collapse; and

2) Why in the world these sooper-sekrit demolitions experts would plant tiny charges at the top exterior corner of WTC 7. Inquiring minds want to know!

The odds that building 7 would fall nearly straight into its own footprint is slim, even for some CD's.
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Please show what "odds" you are speaking of and how you arrived at them. I'm very interested to see your calculations.

I have read the debunking 911 site and seen his view of wtc7. Since it was a tube in tube design, and weak structural foundation, the slightest debris (compared to many other buildings) would loosen the fireproofing, then the fire would melt the steel, and the building fall in such a way that no other building around it were damaged by its fall (near perfect implosion). It does seem a littly fishy!
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What the hell are you going on about?

Has anyone heard more from John Kerry about his so called confession of an imposion on wtc7?
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You mean when he clearly had no idea what the moronic questioner was talking about, and made a generic comment about pulling down a wall in a controlled fashion? That "confession of an implosion?"

or anything from Nick Rockefeller about his confession to Aaron Russo that this war on terror is a hoax and he hinted that 911 was planned by the global elite (or they atleast knew it was going to happen if we want to be nice to them)?
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Link?
 
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I was going to let this post slide, as others had already replied nicely, but decided against doing so:

israelside said:
I am not saying we can conclude anything by 1 or 2 reports
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No, you can not conclude anything from any # of reports. It doesn't matter if 2million people heard a loud noise, it does not necessitate that that loud noise is an explosion.

israelside said:
, I am saying if someone does report a loud noise...we should look into it.
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By all means.

israelside said:
I realize just because someone saw an explosion, it doesn't mean an "explosive" device of some sort caused it. However, if you have trained professionals looking at the so called squibs in the towers for examples and they say it is a squib...
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Evidence? Source? Citation?

israelside said:
that's a good piece of evidence for a squib, but it doesn't prove it, since it's not overwhelming evidence.
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Well, actually no, it's not a "good piece of evidence for a squib". What it is, is a good piece of evidence that whatever occurred, and was viewed had the same appearance as a "squib". However, we do nothing to explain why is must be an explosion and not some other more mundane explanation. Neither are squibs part of demolition, a side effect of demolition, or in any way related to demolition.

israelside said:
I am looking at the percentages Arkan, the odds that 10 or so small "explosions" went off in the corner of WTC7 right before it fell indicates that something odd happend to the building,
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Evidence? Source? Citation?

israelside said:
doesn't prove explosives were planted, but it seems odd and deserves futher investigation.
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It can not be deemed odd, or not odd, until it is clearly defined. You are already assigning qualitative values to an unknown.

israelside said:
The odds that building 7 would fall nearly straight into its own footprint
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It didn't, as demonstrated repeatedly on this board by Gravy.

israelside said:
is slim, even for some CD's.
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Well, that would make it of little or not value for trying to prove, or disprove CD's then wouldn't it?

israelside said:
I have read the debunking 911 site and seen his view of wtc7. Since it was a tube in tube design, and weak structural foundation, the slightest debris (compared to many other buildings) would loosen the fireproofing, then the fire would melt the steel, and the building fall in such a way that no other building around it were damaged by its fall (near perfect implosion). It does seem a littly fishy!
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IF horse(cart)=before
THEN bad;
ELSE good;
END IF;

israelside said:
Snipped the rest of the thread gulling.
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Civilized Worm said:
And when was the last time a twoofer apologised?
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Well...Lucas over at LCF said I was scamming them about lC2's aborted release on Virgin. When a mod verified it (even though I already did) he not only apologized but started a thread to do so. So although it is rare, sometimes they do apologize.
 
http://www.911blogger.com/node/8417

Honored five times by President Bush, William Rodriquez helped draft and implement legislation on behalf of victim families and was a champion, along with victim family members, in demanding the creation of the 9/11 Commission, during which his eyewitness testimony was kept hidden from the public and then mysteriously excluded from its final report. Most intriguing in his testimony are references to massive explosions he and other co-workers experienced "before" the plane hit the building and just prior to its collapse. "We heard a loud rumble, then all of a sudden we heard another rumble," Rodriguez told CNN moments after the collapse. However, as his descriptions about what he experienced became more precise, government officials started ignoring him and the media began editing his remarks. "As soon as I start talking about the explosions that I heard, nobody wants to listen," he's often quoted as saying. Though corroborated by dozens of witnesses, including firefighters and news reporters, the 9/11 Commission Report makes no mention of explosions. Rodriguez also approached the FBI and was never allowed to tell them what he knew.
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Gravy said:
What silliness. I wondered why I didn't know who Nick Rockefeller was.
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He has two websites that play up his surname without explicitly stating his relationship with the famous Rockefellers:

http://www.nicholasrockefeller.net/
http://www.nicholasrockefeller.org/

No mention of him here, though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_family#Members_of_the_Rockefeller_family

I've sent him an email, via his website, to ask if he has any comments on Russo's story, as reported by Prison Planet.

I don't expect a reply.

ETA:
http://www.answers.com/topic/nicholas-rockefeller
which was deleted by wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Rockefeller

Adding: from the wikipedia deletion discussion:

  • Keep There actually exists documentation where David Rockefeller names Nicholas Rockefeller as a seventh or eight cousin. The source is: The Wall Street Journal. 28 September 2005 --Rubyscube 11:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Comment: The WSJ says, "Nicholas Rockefeller declined to say where in the Rockefeller family he fits. But the family's patriarch, David Rockefeller, said through an associate that he doesn't recall ever meeting Nicholas. The relationship 'is probably quite distant, seventh or eighth cousins,' according to the associate, Peter Johnson." Not quite "absolute zero" but also not quite "documentation", IMHO.--Thomas Basboll 11:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC)​
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Gravy, do we still get to see your Rodriguez paper, even though the man himself has left the building?
 
ref said:
Gravy, do we still get to see your Rodriguez paper, even though the man himself has left the building?
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Yep. When I said "A day or two," I meant Gravy days, which, like salad days, are quite long.
 
Gravy said:
Yep. When I said "A day or two," I meant Gravy days, which, like salad days, are quite long.
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It's probably because of lack of iron then. Eat less salad and more red meat.

-Gumboot
 
Gravy said:
Yep. When I said "A day or two," I meant Gravy days, which, like salad days, are quite long.
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I hope it's not like Dylan days. You're not going to come back and say you can't release it are you?
 
Disbelief said:
I hope it's not like Dylan days. You're not going to come back and say you can't release it are you?
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No, but on the other hand I try to avoid premature releases, which require cleaning up.
 
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