Challenge to CIT

[Jonnyclueless]

Of course you're not going to acknowledge the OP TC, you can't.

 

[Reheat]

I'll pop back in a couple days and enjoy it.......

Welcome, TC329, CIT

You have the floor, anything worthwhile to say or post? No words are required, just numbers from any source you want to use. But, the numbers must be correct and provable.

 

[A W Smith]

so you post in this thread to say you will not acknowledge the OP

You say fraud in the plural sense as if more than one member is even allowed here and my warnings have been shooting up with each and every new post....lol

You backed out from debate with me more than once Ron. You are the fraud.

The truth of the matter is you have a 4 page thread devoted to CIT and here is the first time a member of CIT actually posted in it.

And I'm not even acknowledging the OP. This will fuel you guys up for another 3 or 4 pages for sure.

I'll pop back in a couple days and enjoy it.......

Failpost noted.
You will not acknowledge the OP because you can't. The CIT flight path physically cannot happen. Craig may as well dismantle his Pentacorn web sites. It's over and you're done.

 

[jhunter1163]

Here's the response to SPreston's proposed 333 MPH speed for the NoC.

I feel stupid for posting this, but here goes.....

333 MPH TAS
85 Degree Bank Angle
11.4 G's
656.7 Turn Radius
20 degrees of turn/42.8 degrees per second Rate of Turn = .46 seconds + 1 second roll in + 1 second roll out = 2.46 Seconds Required to roll in/turn/roll out/climb.
1788.76’ Distance to Impact Point/488 fps = 3.6 Seconds to Impact Point

STALL SPEED INCREASES TO - 621 MPH TAS

Oops, He CRASHED AND BURNED on the roll in short of Washington Blvd.

Let's try less bank and G to keep from crashing.....

333 MPH TAS
75 Degree Bank Angle
3.9 G's
1999.3 Turn Radius
20 degrees of turn/14 degrees per second Rate of Turn = 1.4 seconds + 1 second roll in + 1 second roll out = 3.4 Seconds Required to roll in/turn/roll out/climb.
1788.76’ Distance to Impact Point/488 fps = 3.6 Seconds to Impact Point.

Ah, made it......

STALL SPEED INCREASES TO - 362 MPH

Ooops, CRASHED AND BURNED AGAIN AND COULD NOT MAKE IT ANYWAY.

Posted @ LCF. I'm gonna go make some popcorn...

ETA: Linky here.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/191706/1/#new

 

[Reheat]

Posted @ LCF. I'm gonna go make some popcorn...

And I'm going to take my usual Sunday afternoon nap.

Someone wake me if anything interesting develops. :yawn

 

[beachnut]

Tether @ LCF has to kidding these guys or does he know the truth?

Tether @ LCF: Shouldn't you be asking if the decoy plane was a fake, before you determine it's speed? By the way - I have every reason to believe that the fake decoy plane was no more than a hologram of a fake AA jet disguised as a fake decoy C-130, for the sole purpose of hiding the missile contained within the hologram, and I have proof of it!!!

If Tether is serious, he has reality issues and lack of practical knowledge on how to interpret reseach, or has done zero reserach.

Is this the plane that launched a thousand lies?

But the dumbest poster IMO, is SPreston.

SPreston @lcf :Since the official speed of 530 mph has been taken from the Flight 77 FDR which has been proven a fake along with the fake 84 RADES data

When will he prove this was proved? By who? How? This is a smart stupid post; he acts smart while making dirt dumb statements as if he knew what he was talking about. I have pulled smarter weeds today. It would be interesting to know what SPreston does for a living; his abilities as a truther are outstanding.

His 333 speed will produce,
SPreston needs 4500 feet radius turn! But the largest bank angle seen by his own want to believe witnesses of 11 degrees, and that is giving them a break. At 333 mph, the plane will miss the Pentagon impact point by 800 feet, and never fly over the Pentagon; good work Preston.
Or he needs over 60 degrees of bank, did anyone see 60 degrees of bank from 77, or the covert aircraft of the evil government? No. So you need to slow your plane down to 100 mph; which is well below stall speed and your plane falls out of the sky. SPreston, how can he fall for lies with no evidence?
SPreston, picks a number out of the blue and dismisses numbers proven to be correct. Why support the sale of DVDs with real dumb CTs for the appropriate audience, people like Spreston?

What bank angle does Spreston use for his turn he supports? I need to remind him all his witnesses he supports said wings level (no bank/ which means no turn). But they do use the witnesses they say are not correct for stuff?? selective stupidity?

 

[1337m4n]

You backed out from debate with me more than once Ron. You are the fraud.

Two things:

1) KEEP THE BLOODY DRAMA TO YOUR PRIVATE MESSAGES

2) I challenge you!

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Tether @ LCF has to kidding these guys or does he know the truth?

id like to say hes just kidding, but you really never know with these guys

 

[1337m4n]

SPreston @lcf :Since the official speed of 530 mph has been taken from the Flight 77 FDR which has been proven a fake along with the fake 84 RADES data

Funny thing, SPreston: That FDR was recovered from the Pentagon crash site. And the other funny thing is that you never "proved" anything.

The FDR is conclusive proof that Flight 77 crashed there yet here you are arguing that it proves it didn't.

 

[GlennB]

....
1 second roll in + 1 second roll out
....

As a non-aeronautical type (who has actually done a little flying), are these roll-in/roll-out figures very modest? Seems like an awfully short time to execute the move for such a plane at such speeds, but that's purely a layman's guess.

 

[Reheat]

As a non-aeronautical type (who has actually done a little flying), are these roll-in/roll-out figures very modest? Seems like an awfully short time to execute the move for such a plane at such speeds, but that's purely a layman's guess.

Yes, they are VERY OPTIMISTIC for any large aircraft. Keep in mind the roll response decreases with slower speed as does roll authority to even get to those bank angles. In fact, I'd guess that roll rate/bank angle is not even achievable, but I have to have something to calculate!

Also, keep in mind that the EXACT flight path specified by THEIR witness, Edward Paik was not adhered to in the calculations. His testimony makes the problem even more difficult than IMPOSSIBLE.

As if the already IMPOSSIBLE FLIGHT PATH is not enough, turn radius is not factored into the heading change required. Every step we take toward reality, it gets worse, but I needed to keep it simple for simple minds.

BTW: My nap was very relaxing. But, I actually need a bottle of Johnny Walker Blue Label to wash away all of this stupidity.

ETA: I have flown that low and faster (supersonic) in fighters, but I was never foolish enough to attempt a turn like that! You could not pay me enough to even attempt that in a big airplane, and I don't know of anyone who would even contemplate trying it, test pilots included as they don't fly at low altitude except for take-off and landing.

 

[Bobert]

http://mp3.wtprn.com/Worsley/0705/20070526_Sat_Worsley.m3u
Interview of Aldo and Criag.
May 26th 2007

At 15:14 says that there are "terrorist soldiers" within our military, "there are good ones and there bad ones".
WOW thanks Aldo!
We should weed out those "bad ones" but thankfully we have "good ones" to help us out!!

Craig referring to their, "gorilla investigative effort":

We set out to find the proof....which is what we did JASON!!

Ok Craig its been almost a year since that interview and ZERO PROOF

Why do truther idiots always refer to their crappy crapumentories as "movies"?

At 25:30 Aldo discusses the light poles and his "logical conclusion" is spectacular!

the fact that any would be missing the days, weeks, , you know even the months before 011 wouldn't even be noted by people

Uh well except those that ROUTINELY drive by the Pentagon or gee maybe the Pentagon Police who routinely PATROL THE PENTAGON area or maybe the countless people who drive by the Pentagon at night who might wonder "gee its awfully dark I wonder why?"
Man these guys are dumb as rocks

At 35:27 Craig goes on and on about Lloyd the Cabbie but mysteriously crackling noises begin on his phone. I wonder if that could be the NWO trying to stop Craig!!

At 37 min Aldo seems to be whining that the only reason that they released the Smoking Gun was:

We had to stop everything to make the smoking gun version just to appease all the demands we were getting for the evidence that we said we had

In reference to the "evidence" he goes on to whine:

it had already been out there to be honest

Gee thanks Aldo that sure was swell of you to claim you had smoking gun evidence but instead of doing the right thing and releasing it for the sake of the victims families you cop out by saying that you released it to "appease all the demands".
What a scumbag you are Aldo.
All about your ego and ZERO RESPECT for the families or the victims.

Craig uses the term "immigrant worker" in reference to Citgo employee Robert. He makes this point to imply that he cannot be a "complicit agent"
I guess if he was Jewish you probably couldn't trust him?help
hmmm bordering on being a racist there bud.

So got it Craig and Aldo CIT claiming that Smoking Gun was only released to "appease demands" and not to bring about trials or help the families.

 

[jhunter1163]

Three hours since I posted, and no response from the Special High-level Investigative Team. Somehow I'm not surprised.

 

[Bobert]

Jhunter please keep in mind that they have to wait for their mommies to schedule a play date in order to be together to collaborate on their response.
Well not to mention that they then have to achieve the proper "High" part of their job title.

 

[jhunter1163]

Sorry. I forgot they had to get their Special High-level Investigative Team together. Although it is 5:20 EST, so they've had an hour to achieve the "High" bit.

I so want to use the acronym, but I don't want Chill to hurt me....

 

[Bobert]

WOW banned in less then 5 min for posting and asking where TC was and why he ran from the JREF debate.
I also asked why the JREF mods tolerate him referring to LC poster Bret as a "NAZI" so maybe that is why I got the ban.
Oh well and they wonder why no one is visiting their board.
TC is such a DJ.

 

[Horatius]

Every step we take toward reality, it gets worse, but I needed to keep it simple for simple minds.

And yet, is still wasn't simple enough.

 

[Reheat]

In anticipation that these jokers will want to slow down the speed of the aircraft I've done some additional calculations taking this into account, but with a slightly different approach.

CIT witness Edward Paik testified as an "Independently Verified Witness" that he took 7 steps toward Columbia Pike after the aircraft passed over his head when he heard the explosion at the Pentagon. The time for 7 steps varies with leg length and speed of gait, but I've done an experiment today with several people from kids to teenagers to adults of varying height. The time for 7 steps varied from ~ 3 - 5 seconds timed with a stop watch. No one took more than 5 seconds and that was an older person.

The speed of sound is 770 MPH on a standard day.

Let's hypothetically slow the aircraft to 250 KTS = 288 MPH = 422 fps
on the NoC flight path and compare the distance/time with the generally accepted flight path distance/time at the FDR speed of ~ 780 fps.

Here we go...

From Edward Paik's business directly to the pentagon is ~3874'/780 fps = 4.9 seconds to impact.

From Edward Paik's business to NoC and then to the Pentagon (not considering turn radius, which is longer) is ~ 3922.76/422 fps (288) MPH = 9.2 seconds to fly-over.

Hmmmm, I'm not going to state a conclusion, but those with other than "twoofer" math skills should be able to determine which flight path Edward Paik's "Independently Verified Witness" statement supports.

We can address the ability to make the turn and fly over at 250 KTS if/when that speed appears somewhere in calculations. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[1337m4n]

WOW banned in less then 5 min for posting and asking where TC was and why he ran from the JREF debate.
I also asked why the JREF mods tolerate him referring to LC poster Bret as a "NAZI" so maybe that is why I got the ban.
Oh well and they wonder why no one is visiting their board.
TC is such a DJ.

"Supporting open-mindedness as long as it doesn't interfere with our beliefs"
--The Loose Change Moderator Motto

 

[Anti-sophist]

And I'm not even acknowledging the OP.

We know. Because you can't. Neither can your "team".

If it wasn't so sad, it'd be funny.