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Certifying the Vote.

**** got pretty real for them today, i'm not surprised some of them backed off

Indeed it did.

Maybe Trump threw what he had left, "all in" tonight.

Or maybe not. He can't Tweet. That has to have pissed the hell out of him. The Congress is going ahead and certifying the vote isn't stopping.

The mobs have been neutered.

What will the morning bring? For that matter, what will the next 13 days, 13 hours bring?
 
Crap, this could go in any of the three threads. The coup thread is bogged down arguing about the definition of a coup and the Trump thread isn't all that relevant to this. So I think it best goes here.

Katie Couric interviewed Mary Trump tonight and it was quite relevant. Mary has a good handle on the situation. The Trump enablers in Congress are the problem at the moment.

 
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I know. I've heard this silly argument about Pennsylvania over and over and over again. They akways neglect that it was bipartisan legislation sponsored by 7 Republicans and 1 Democrat.

That the law was tested by the State Supreme Court, by a Trump appointed judg of the the 3rd Circuit. By a a 3 judge panel of the 3rd Circuit and by SCOTUS.

It is really a silly argument. There is a court case from about a hundred years ago where a Pennsylvania Supreme Court judge decided that voting, as mentioned in the state constitution, meant to vote in person. That became an issue when Pennsylvania wanted to establish absentee voting and they decided to put absentee voting into the Constitution. There was a lawsuit over whether an absentee voting law would be constitutional based on that old ruling about what "voting" means in the constitution, but they ended up just working around it.

If I recall, that ages old opinion was not actually part of a court opinion but a concurrence by one judge. Not exactly a precedent, but it still carries some legal weight.

If I recall, the decision by that judge was based on concerns about voting that no longer apply.

If I recall (I keep saying that) this court case was tossed out on laches and the court did not consider the issue.

If a case was brought now or if it had been brought early last year, the court could consider that argument. The court would probably dismiss the old decision as no longer applicable or relevant. But maybe not. But probably.

The court could not even consider it because it wasn't raised until after the election. Similarly, Congress should not consider it because it wasn't raised until after the election.

There is no reason that Congress should rule on an interpretation of a state constitution when under principles of law a state supreme court cannot rule on an interpretation of a state constitution. The same rules of law apply. Although they actually apply much less to Congress than they do to the court. The idea that Congress should decide when the state court cannot is simply a perversion of law.
 
It is really a silly argument. There is a court case from about a hundred years ago where a Pennsylvania Supreme Court judge decided that voting, as mentioned in the state constitution, meant to vote in person. That became an issue when Pennsylvania wanted to establish absentee voting and they decided to put absentee voting into the Constitution. There was a lawsuit over whether an absentee voting law would be constitutional based on that old ruling about what "voting" means in the constitution, but they ended up just working around it.

If I recall, that ages old opinion was not actually part of a court opinion but a concurrence by one judge. Not exactly a precedent, but it still carries some legal weight.

If I recall, the decision by that judge was based on concerns about voting that no longer apply.

If I recall (I keep saying that) this court case was tossed out on laches and the court did not consider the issue.

If a case was brought now or if it had been brought early last year, the court could consider that argument. The court would probably dismiss the old decision as no longer applicable or relevant. But maybe not. But probably.

The court could not even consider it because it wasn't raised until after the election. Similarly, Congress should not consider it because it wasn't raised until after the election.

There is no reason that Congress should rule on an interpretation of a state constitution when under principles of law a state supreme court cannot rule on an interpretation of a state constitution. The same rules of law apply. Although they actually apply much less to Congress than they do to the court. The idea that Congress should decide when the state court cannot is simply a perversion of law.

Laches and Standing.
 
Not sure but it would appear the Democrats in the House are now letting the Republicans shout at windmills for their allotted time then they'll vote and resume the proceedings. It's 2am there and Pelosi is clearly very tired. But they need to finish tonight IMO.
 
Not sure but it would appear the Democrats in the House are now letting the Republicans shout at windmills for their allotted time then they'll vote and resume the proceedings. It's 2am there and Pelosi is clearly very tired. But they need to finish tonight IMO.

Schiff is going on about the failure to address covid. Give it a rest. It is the early hours of the morning. Nobody cares. Just get on with it.

They must be very close to the end of the two hours for debate.

ETA: And no Raskin. Just random political speeches. Blah, blah, blah.
 
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Finally a vote. Voice vote for no.

But then a demand for a roll vote...because of course.
 
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All right, finally the House is beginning to vote on the objection. My god.

Again, McConnell has remarked in the Senate that no other objections from senators are expected. Assuming no surprises, once the House finishes voting and rejects the objection, the Joint Session will resume and the rest of the states and the VP's certification should proceed without incident.
 
All right, finally the House is beginning to vote on the objection. My god.

Again, McConnell has remarked in the Senate that no other objections from senators are expected. Assuming no surprises, once the House finishes voting and rejects the objection, the Joint Session will resume and the rest of the states and the VP's certification should proceed without incident.

We have jumped over several bars to get here. Maybe getting to the finish line.

Show me the way to the next Wisconsin bar. Oh, don't ask why. Oh, don't ask why.
 
We have jumped over several bars to get here. Maybe getting to the finish line.

Show me the way to the next Wisconsin bar. Oh, don't ask why. Oh, don't ask why.

They will have crossed the 270 line before they get to Wisconsin. Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia and Washington are all Blue States. Vermont should put them over.
 
I made up my mind earlier to wait until it is totally over. I'm going to try but if Wisconsin is objected to by a Senator and they passed 270, I'm done. I'm nodding off.

I'm playing poker and checking in in now and again and not paying much attention. It's done.
 
Schiff is going on about the failure to address covid. Give it a rest. It is the early hours of the morning. Nobody cares. Just get on with it.

They must be very close to the end of the two hours for debate.

ETA: And no Raskin. Just random political speeches. Blah, blah, blah.

Indeed. No need for Democrats to do any debating. This is all theatre and nobody needs to dignify the Republicans blathering.
 
Indeed. No need for Democrats to do any debating. This is all theatre and nobody needs to dignify the Republicans blathering.

Understand they are waiting for all the Senate to return to the House chamber.
 
Indeed. No need for Democrats to do any debating. This is all theatre and nobody needs to dignify the Republicans blathering.

No, but there was two hours of debate, one way or the other. And that could have been two hours of the Republicans blathering unchallenged.
 
They will have crossed the 270 line before they get to Wisconsin. Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia and Washington are all Blue States. Vermont should put them over.

Yes. But I wanted to put in my clever joke reference and be acknowledged for my brilliance. You know, like a member of Congress objecting to the counting of votes on their very very clever brilliance superior to county officials, county election boards, state election boards, state election officials, state election boards, secretaries of state, state governors, state courts, state appellate courts, state supreme courts, federal district courts, federal circuit courts, and the United States Supreme Court.

Because they obviously must all be wrong.
 
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