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Certifying the Vote.

So, since we're looking at bad-faith-scenarios left and right, let's just assume that for some reason one party has majorities in both chambers, and the presidential candidate from the other party wins the presidency.

Would it then be within the authority of Congress to just reject the electoral votes for the winning candidate and install their guy instead?

The arguments I'm hearing go along the lines of "don't worry about such an atrocity, after all the Democrats control the House (and there are some Republican Senators with some leftovers of a spine as well)". This doesn't really convince me that this process isn't ripe for blatant abuse at some other time.

That is a concern. The law is wishy-washy. It was intended to limit Congress so that they could guarantee States that Congress would not reject their electoral votes as long as the State complied with certain laws.

The law says "no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected"

It is only if the votes do not meet that criteria that Congress could decide to reject the votes. But who decides whether those legal requirements were met? Presumably Congress makes that decision. So Congress deicides whether it is going to accept the limitations it has placed on itself or not.

The Constitution creates and grants authority to the House and Senate. It does not create or grant any authority to any type of joint session, even though it says the votes must be counted in front of both houses.

The Supreme Court does not interfere with the proceedings of the House or Senate because they each have their own jurisdiction. But because this is unusual and because is written in statute, the Supreme Court may have authority to determine that the legal requirements were met and therefore the House and Senate had no authority under law to reject the votes. But who decides whether or not the Supreme Court has such authority?

So the end result is a constitutional crises if Congress would dare to actually try to outright steal an election. That, of course, likely leads to the collapse of the Union and civil war.
 
So the two hour debate is in separate chambers. What does cspan show? Do the republicans just speak at the same time? One side probably can't delay one hour waiting on the other chamber.

The House and Senate meet and debate at the same time, not one after the other. C-SPAN 1 will cover the joint session, which is in the House and presumably would cover House debate. C-SPAN 2 covers the Senate, so the joint session may be on that channel as well with 1 covering House debate and 2 covering Senate debate.

C-SPAN 3 has generic programming on "Capitol Hill Hearings" so I don't know what they will have on there. Probably commentary and protests and things like that. C-SPAN doesn't have a real specific schedule because it covers live events and just skips around to whatever is happening.
 
How long will this go on? I've almost run out of popcorn.

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Hard to tell. Probably 3 to 14 hours depending on how many objections there are and whether they use the full two hours of debate for each objection.
 
The idea that republicans in congress are better at interpreting PA law than the PA supreme court is not diligence but hubris.
 
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How long will this go on? I've almost run out of popcorn.

<fx drums fingers>

Just tomorrow, but it may be a long day. Probably today already for you!

Then again, if you're talking about how long Trump will go on claiming he won, it'll be the day he dies. And then some.
 
How long will this go on? I've almost run out of popcorn.

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That also depends on if you expect Trump to give up tomorrow or if he'll find a new goal that will keep him in office.

14 days, 18 hours and counting down.

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Fun thing to do: Scroll through social media posts from Trump supporters regarding today's marches in D.C.

Do google image searches on images they show of huge crowds. I'm seeing some images from October 2020, and others from a 2018 march.

The funny part is that today's march seems well attended - but they post fake images anyway. It's like they can't help themselves.

https://twitter.com/jetjackson20/status/1346584445860548610
 
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Fun thing to do: Scroll through social media posts from Trump supporters regarding today's marches in D.C.

Do google image searches on images they show of huge crowds. I'm seeing some images from October 2020, and others from a 2018 march.

The funny part is that today's march seems well attended - but they post fake images anyway. It's like they can't help themselves.

https://twitter.com/jetjackson20/status/1346584445860548610
This is DC an hour in the future???? :rolleyes:


Yes they are that stupid, use a photo off the net believing all the net sleuths will never find it.
 
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Only ten arrests so far, the Boys aren't really trying! :rolleyes:

Here's a Live Twitter feed not behind a paywall

And a news story not behind a paywall: Live coverage of DC protests: Trump addresses thousands of supporters gathered at National Mall to protest election results
Tuesday night, D.C. police made six protest-related arrests. The charges ranged from carrying a pistol without a license to assault of a police officer, according to a spokesman. The U.S. Park Police also made one arrest.

Looks like the 6 arrests were last night. Participants aren't drunk enough yet.
 
I might watch the first couple speakers, but I think the stupid on the part of the objectors is going to be too much to handle.
 
Well, the Republicans are actively trying to get Congress to disenfranchise millions of voters. It was expected. This is going to be a long day for Congress. It won't work, so they're just making it painful.
 
i'm not sure this is the correct thread, but I don't know of a better one, and it doesn't seem worthy of it's own thread, so......


Does anyone understand why some of the Trumpist protestors are flying South Vietnamese flags?


Maybe something along the lines of, "They were overrun by socialists just like America is about to be?"
 
i'm not sure this is the correct thread, but I don't know of a better one, and it doesn't seem worthy of it's own thread, so......


Does anyone understand why some of the Trumpist protestors are flying South Vietnamese flags?


Maybe something along the lines of, "They were overrun by socialists just like America is about to be?"

I hadn't seen that. Wonder if they also know the South Vietnamese also lost.
 
McConnell is in the process of throwing Trump under the bus. Too little too late, but at least it helps.
 
McConnell is in the process of throwing Trump under the bus. Too little too late, but at least it helps.

I'm impressed. I'm watching it, and he's saying pretty much what I might say. He's pretty forceful.
 

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