CCW holder killed reaching for ID.

[Bogative]

The anti-gun nutters on this board have finally found themselves a 'gun lover' they can support, what a strange turn of events.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Big deal. Unless you can show that the police in Raliegh NC have a history of killing blacks more than whites in this kind of situation then you're just blowing smoke. What did your research reveal?

Ranb

Since data on unarmed men killed by cops is not kept, where do you recommend we look?

 

[A'isha]

url]http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article85991147.html[/url]

Unlike the man in my link above, the police shot back at him after he fired at them.

http://www.wgal.com/news/breaking-n...ested-wanted-for-shooting-at-officer/39287068

Unlike the man in my link above, the police shot back at him after he fired at them.

http://www.news-sentinel.com/news/l...ting-at-police-officer-to-go-on-trial-in-June

Unlike the man in my link above, the police shot back at him after he fired at them.

http://wtkr.com/2016/06/21/drug-dealer-who-shot-at-police-officers-pleads-guilty/

Unlike the man in my link above, the police shot back at him after he fired at them.

http://wncn.com/2016/05/02/man-who-shot-at-a-police-trooper-and-his-dog-could-be-deported/

Unlike the man in my link above, the police set a police dog on him before he even fired at them.

They all lived while this unarmed guy was killed while begging for his life, allegedly. Guess his color. It may shock you too.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...d-arizona-cried-begged-life-article-1.2582759

Study finds police fatally shoot unarmed black men at disproportionate rates

The anti-gun nutters on this board have finally found themselves a 'gun lover' they can support, what a strange turn of events.

The pro-gun nutters on this board have finally found themselves a 'gun-lover' they can't support, what a strange turn of events. [EDIT: For the record, I own a pistol and am in the process of applying for a permit]

You'd think the NRA would be all over this, but they've been strangely silent. They're sure worked up about Matt Damon, though.

 

[Mark6]

I like how the police are now to be dealt with like vicious dogs.

Don't make any sudden moves. Don't assume a posture that could be interpreted as agressive. Don't express fear, they can sense that.

Failing any of that, and it's your fault if you get bit.

^^^ This

Johnny Karate's post is not the first time I heard this set of advice. I heard/read similar advice at least ten years ago. Often given by black parents to their children.

Am I the only person who thinks that if parents must teach children to treat people whose job is "to serve and protect" like potentially vicious wild animals, then something is *********** wrong with this country?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Sandra Bland - failure to use a turn signal = Murdered
Freddie Gray - carrying a LEGAL knife = Murdered
Eric Garner - selling cigarettes = Murdered
Alton Sterling - selling CD’s/DVD’s = Murdered
Philando Castile - broken tail light = Murdered

You missed a few.

Tamir Rice - 12 yrs old holding a toy gun Murdered
Walter Scott - fleeing from cop, shot in the back Murdered Cop in this case charged with murder.
Laquan McDonald - teen with three inch knife he wasn't threatening anyone with, walking away from cops shot 16 times by a cop who had just arrived on the scene. Cop had to be stopped by other officers when he continued to shoot the lifeless body of the teen.
Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams, each of whom was hit by more than 20 bullets, unarmed in car. Murdered Cleveland cops shot at 2 unarmed black people 137 times. Years later, 6 of them are fired.

There are many more.

 

[cullennz]

3-6 Dallas police have been shot at the rally over the deaths apparently

 

[blutoski]

It was the quantitative part of the claim I was pushing back on. And I guess the scope of the infractions involved. Would they look the other way if their partner didn't polish their boot with an approved brand of polish? Sure, probably 100% of them would.

Would they look the other way if their partner violated a serious law, a life-threating situation? I'm thinking very few would, and there doesn't seem to be compelling evidence to believe otherwise.





We don't know, since we don't know how many were found innocent specifically because of conspiracy to suppress evidence among their peers.

In the interest of narrowing this specific knowledge gap of mine, I did some research.

The news is good and bad. Good because I have better information. Bad because I'm wrong and it does look like a systemic problem.

DOJ Study: [Police Attitudes Toward Abuse of Authority: Findings From a National Study]

Relevant excerpt:

A surprising 6 in 10 (61 percent) indicated that police officers do not always report even seri- ous criminal violations that involve the abuse of authority by fellow officers.

So, I was using >50% as a threshold for 'most' and this obviously satisfies it.

I stand corrected.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

CNN is reporting one of those Dallas transit cops has died.

 

[A'isha]

CNN is reporting one of those Dallas transit cops has died.

Four DART officers and at least one other officer shot, one of the DART officers died. There were apparently people claiming protesters were hit too, but I haven't seen anything even remotely resembling a confirmation of that.

At least one shooter was armed with a rifle and fired from an alley near where the protest was. Some witnesses quoted in the media said it was indiscriminate fire, others reported meticulous shots.

EDIT: Dallas police chief is being quoted as saying 10 officers hit, three were killed by two "snipers" (his term). No suspects in custody.

 

[Ammonitida]

Unlike the man in my link above, the police shot back at him after he fired at them.



Unlike the man in my link above, the police shot back at him after he fired at them.



Unlike the man in my link above, the police shot back at him after he fired at them.



Unlike the man in my link above, the police shot back at him after he fired at them.



Unlike the man in my link above, the police set a police dog on him before he even fired at them.



Study finds police fatally shoot unarmed black men at disproportionate rates



The pro-gun nutters on this board have finally found themselves a 'gun-lover' they can't support, what a strange turn of events. [EDIT: For the record, I own a pistol and am in the process of applying for a permit]

You'd think the NRA would be all over this, but they've been strangely silent. They're sure worked up about Matt Damon, though.

Uh, in the first link I provided, the police did not shoot at the suspect.

 

[Caper]

Astronomically high, you mean? Even when you're white, the Atlanta PD will detain you for 8 hours for the felony of "jaywalking".

So how many jaywalkers did that happen to? There are millions upon millions of jaywalking a per year in Atlanta. What do you suppose the odds of getting put away for 8 hours is?

 

[Steve]

This makes me quite happy that I live in a country where the police doesn't automatically assume that any and all they encounter might have a gun. I don't have to be afraid of the police at a traffic stop or otherwise.
This is a symptom of a major problem with especially the US where the 2nd amendment is synonymous for many with "freedom" where actually that freedom comes at a very high price. There is so many weapons in circulation. Anyone the police encounter might be armed. A police officer has to be very disciplined to avoid being afraid of getting shot. Subsequently anyone encountering the police is afraid. The whole interaction gets all screwed up.

Me too. And, strangely enough, I live in the same country as the poster you were responding to.

It has been a number of years since I was last stopped by a traffic cop so things may have changed, but I have never seen a traffic stop where the officer drew his gun. My few traffic stops have always involved a cordial and fairly informal interaction with the officer. That said, I have never been stopped for a traffic violation in the US.

 

[A'isha]

Uh, in the first link I provided, the police did not shoot at the suspect.

They also didn't seem to have much of an opportunity, since the only officer there was driving a car as all this was happening.

 

[Cain]

Sandra Bland - failure to use a turn signal = Murdered
Freddie Gray - carrying a LEGAL knife = Murdered
Eric Garner - selling cigarettes = Murdered
Alton Sterling - selling CD’s/DVD’s = Murdered
Philando Castile - broken tail light = Murdered

You missed a few.

Tamir Rice - 12 yrs old holding a toy gun Murdered
Walter Scott - fleeing from cop, shot in the back Murdered Cop in this case charged with murder.
Laquan McDonald - teen with three inch knife he wasn't threatening anyone with, walking away from cops shot 16 times by a cop who had just arrived on the scene. Cop had to be stopped by other officers when he continued to shoot the lifeless body of the teen.
Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams, each of whom was hit by more than 20 bullets, unarmed in car. Murdered Cleveland cops shot at 2 unarmed black people 137 times. Years later, 6 of them are fired.

There are many more.

Screwed up values. The police acted properly in all of those cases. If you want an example of outrageous corruption, slimeballs covering for their own, look no further than Comey's refusal to indict Clinton. That should be the lead story on every network in America!

 

[Molinaro]

...

 

[jimbob]

The anti-gun nutters on this board have finally found themselves a 'gun lover' they can support, what a strange turn of events.

The behaviour of a sufficient proportion of US police officers is why I can understand why people support the second amendment.

The solution is to fix the police, rather than try to outgun them.

 

[Vermonter]

No attempt was made to give the driver any sort of first aid, instead he was held at gun point and they watched him die. The female passenger, who was clam and cooperative was treated like she was a danger to all of those armed police officers.

The US police force have repeatedly shown themselves to be trigger happy cowards who do not care about consequences.

Not to mention there were, what, half a dozen cop cars present with at least as many officers? I thought the standard procedure was to administer aid so that the suspect doesn't die. Instead, the cop keeps the gun trained on Castile with his finger on the trigger, then treats Reynolds (the passenger) as if she's armed too! As far as I'm concerned, they're all complicit in this incident and should be charged as such if (and this is important) the incident played out the way Reynolds claims.

 

[Mumbles]

The behaviour of a sufficient proportion of US police officers is why I can understand why people support the second amendment.

The solution is to fix the police, rather than try to outgun them.

Sadly, most of the guys who claim to support the second amendment do not do so for the groups most likely to be abused by police.

But yes, that is the fix, as far as we can manage it.

 

[Tony Stark]

Not to mention there were, what, half a dozen cop cars present with at least as many officers? I thought the standard procedure was to administer aid so that the suspect doesn't die. Instead, the cop keeps the gun trained on Castile with his finger on the trigger, then treats Reynolds (the passenger) as if she's armed too! As far as I'm concerned, they're all complicit in this incident and should be charged as such if (and this is important) the incident played out the way Reynolds claims.

I seriously think that cops, when they shoot an innocent person, often want them to die so in order to eliminate witnesses.

 

[lionking]

The anti-gun nutters on this board have finally found themselves a 'gun lover' they can support, what a strange turn of events.

That the best you can come up with?

Pretty lame.