CCW holder killed reaching for ID.

President Obama is speaking about this right now (he's in Poland where it is 12:43am).
 
Tony Stark said:
President Obama is speaking about this right now (he's in Poland where it is 12:43am).
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Don't got all the facts but gots to gets in front of a camera! I expect nothing less. I hope he does some of his greatest hits like "The Police Acted Stupidly" or "If I Had A Son".
 
Obama says the obvious. That these types of shootings are symptomatic of racial problems.
 
HenryLee said:
Don't got all the facts but gots to gets in front of a camera! I expect nothing less. I hope he does some of his greatest hits like "The Police Acted Stupidly" or "If I Had A Son".
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How dare the President of the United States speak about a huge problem in America (cops shooting people, especially black people).
 
Caper said:
Yeah. I think the police in Atlanta would be fine. Your wife's hang ups are largely unfounded. The odds of her getting roughed up by a cop in Atlanta for being a successful black woman are astronomical..... Actually if shes worried more about the police then she is pretty bad at risk assessment.
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Astronomically high, you mean? Even when you're white, the Atlanta PD will detain you for 8 hours for the felony of "jaywalking". :rolleyes:
 
blutoski said:
It was the quantitative part of the claim I was pushing back on. And I guess the scope of the infractions involved. Would they look the other way if their partner didn't polish their boot with an approved brand of polish? Sure, probably 100% of them would.

Would they look the other way if their partner violated a serious law, a life-threating situation? I'm thinking very few would, and there doesn't seem to be compelling evidence to believe otherwise.
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Have you ever heard of a partner of a murderous cop who spoke out against him? Or of any other cop at the scene? Have you ever heard of an investigation which did not amount to a cover-up?

For every "bad cop" and lethal "incident", there are at least five other cops actively involved in the cover-up. They're bad cops too, IMHO.

And while I agree with your point that you cannot hold each and every cop individually accountable for these "incidents" and cannot hold it against them that they don't quit their job in disgust, I think it's also telling that you never, ever hear of a cop criticizing this behaviour. If that ever happened, it would be front-page news.
 
ddt said:
Have you ever heard of a partner of a murderous cop who spoke out against him? Or of any other cop at the scene? Have you ever heard of an investigation which did not amount to a cover-up?
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Yes, I've been reading the Baltimore trainwreck pretty closely since it erupted maybe fifteen years ago. The crimes were brought to the authorities by coworkers, some of whom were even implicating themselves for lesser crimes (planting evidence), having finally realized they were in over their heads and did not want to be conspirators of silence for their coworkers' torture, rape, and murder crimes.


ddt said:
For every "bad cop" and lethal "incident", there are at least five other cops actively involved in the cover-up. They're bad cops too, IMHO.
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Yes, I think so too, if we're talking about serious crimes. Any LEO who helps with a coverup of anything serious is a 'bad' cop in my opinion.



ddt said:
And while I agree with your point that you cannot hold each and every cop individually accountable for these "incidents" and cannot hold it against them that they don't quit their job in disgust, I think it's also telling that you never, ever hear of a cop criticizing this behaviour. If that ever happened, it would be front-page news.
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We do, but it's like when Muslims stage protest demonstrations against ISIS. It's not front page news, because newspapers are selling to the public who don't want to read that - it's not the narrative, it hurts the brain.

The other thing about police internal informants is that they want to be low profile and preferably anonymous, because if they want to keep working in their profession, exposure would make their ongoing careers a living hell. So the mechanics of building a case are to get evidence that doesn't rely on the testimony of these original informants, but they're an important part of the process.
 
Yeggster said:
I'm middle aged white and have a short hair cut, I live in Ontario Canada.

When I get pulled over for a bad light or speeding or whatever, I put the window down all the way, I pull over asap, shut off my car, and place my arms on the top of the steering wheel with my hands RIGHT UP by the WINDSHIELD.

When the officer asked for my ID I tell him were it is and ask if it's OK to retrieve it now, and I do so slowly with one hand.

If I can do that here ... everyone can do that everywhere.
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This makes me quite happy that I live in a country where the police doesn't automatically assume that any and all they encounter might have a gun. I don't have to be afraid of the police at a traffic stop or otherwise.

This is a symptom of a major problem with especially the US where the 2nd amendment is synonymous for many with "freedom" where actually that freedom comes at a very high price. There is so many weapons in circulation. Anyone the police encounter might be armed. A police officer has to be very disciplined to avoid being afraid of getting shot. Subsequently anyone encountering the police is afraid. The whole interaction gets all screwed up.
 
Tony Stark said:
Obama says the obvious. That these types of shootings are symptomatic of racial problems.
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So how long until people start accusing him of "supporting thugs" and "wanting to kill cops"?

Haha, just kidding, that's probably already picking back up.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I have seen the video three times now. Your quote is not quite correct:

She said to the cop, "you told him to get his ID, he was reaching for his wallet, he told you he had a gun and a permit" or something close to that.
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The Minneapolis Star Tribune has posted a transcript of the Facebook video @ http://www.startribune.com/transcript-of-facebook-live-shooting-aftermath-video/385850431/
From the first paragraph:
He was trying to get out his ID and his wallet out his pocket and he let the officer know that he was that he had a firearm and he was reaching for his wallet
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It sure looks to me that based on the start of the transcript the Guardian's paraphrasing was correct.
Reynolds says to her Facebook viewers that Castile was licensed to carry a weapon and told the officer he had a firearm as he reached for his wallet and ID.
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I think this is a major tragedy and the officer screwed up royally but I also stand by my first comment this morning.
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Bad idea, telling a cop at a stop that you have a gun while you are reaching for something the cop can't see.
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If anyone thinks it's a good idea to say to a cop "I have a firearm" while reaching into your pocket then your nuts.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Isnt the cop supposed to actually see the gun before shooting ?
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No, just imagining one is enough.

paulhutch said:
If anyone thinks it's a good idea to say to a cop "I have a firearm" while reaching into your pocket then your nuts.
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I agree. If you're Black then the only way to protect yourself is just use it.

BTW going for your nuts probably isn't a good idea either, even after reaching into your pocket.
 
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A'isha said:
Guess what color his skin is. Go on, guess.
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Big deal. Unless you can show that the police in Raliegh NC have a history of killing blacks more than whites in this kind of situation then you're just blowing smoke. What did your research reveal?

Ranb
 
He was over 60, does that explain it at least as well as his skin color?
 
Sandra Bland - failure to use a turn signal = Murdered
Freddie Gray - carrying a LEGAL knife = Murdered
Eric Garner - selling cigarettes = Murdered
Alton Sterling - selling CD’s/DVD’s = Murdered
Philando Castile - broken tail light = Murdered
 
A'isha said:
Man points shotgun at passing cars, points it at an officer when the police arrive, then when that's knocked away by the police pulls a pistol on the officers from his pocket while saying "I got something for you", actually fires the weapon, and yet the police still manage to arrest him without shooting him.

Guess what color his skin is. Go on, guess.
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I can play this game too. Guess the color of these guys.. All shot at cops and lived to tell about it. The color may shock you.

http://www.nj.com/camden/index.ssf/2015/07/camden_fugitive_who_shot_at_cop_arrested_after_two.html

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article85991147.html

http://www.wgal.com/news/breaking-n...ested-wanted-for-shooting-at-officer/39287068

http://www.news-sentinel.com/news/l...ting-at-police-officer-to-go-on-trial-in-June

http://wtkr.com/2016/06/21/drug-dealer-who-shot-at-police-officers-pleads-guilty/

http://wncn.com/2016/05/02/man-who-shot-at-a-police-trooper-and-his-dog-could-be-deported/

They all lived while this unarmed guy was killed while begging for his life, allegedly. Guess his color. It may shock you too.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...d-arizona-cried-begged-life-article-1.2582759
 
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