Carly's Plan to Stump a Democrat

[sunmaster14]

Ok, I'd like to play the game Carly recommended. Who can list some of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments? And let's leave getting elected or appointed or married to something off the list. Those are personal accomplishments that are for one's own benefit, not anybody else's.

I'll have to admit that I've kind of stumped myself.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I posted a link to Clinton's many accomplishments twice in the Clinton thread and you continue to ignore them. What good is posting them for a third time?

I have a better idea, find a link to the PP video Fiorina lied about existing of a live fetus on a table with people discussing keeping it alive for its brain tissue.

 

[Crossbow]

Ok, I'd like to play the game Carly recommended. Who can list some of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments? And let's leave getting elected or appointed or married to something off the list. Those are personal accomplishments that are for one's own benefit, not anybody else's.

I'll have to admit that I've kind of stumped myself.

Look at her web site.

 

[marplots]

Here's a page with plenty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

Of course, being a left-leaning site on the Internet, one should take the information with a grain of salt...

 

[sunmaster14]

Look at her web site.

I did. I didn't see much under her bio. Is there another place there which shows something other than fluff and resume filler?

 

[sunmaster14]

Here's a page with plenty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

Of course, being a left-leaning site on the Internet, one should take the information with a grain of salt...

Perhaps you could point to a couple of these accomplishments specifically? I see that the wiki has Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky listed. Also, she's a great cattle futures trader (well, in truth, a great bribe taker).

 

[Ladewig]

Ok, I'd like to play the game Carly recommended. Who can list some of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments? And let's leave getting elected or appointed or married to something off the list. Those are personal accomplishments that are for one's own benefit, not anybody else's.

I'll have to admit that I've kind of stumped myself.

Accomplishments that were for someone else's benefit.

I'm not seeing a great many of those in the Republican presidential field.

Can you give some examples of what you are looking for?

ETA
Does founding a charity count? Do negotiations as Secretary of a state count?

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

1) Managed complex email server setup project.
2) Worked her way up the ladder from being dead broke to having several multi-million dollar mansions.
3) Worked as an in-demand public speaker.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Perhaps you could point to a couple of these accomplishments specifically? I see that the wiki has Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky listed. Also, she's a great cattle futures trader (well, in truth, a great bribe taker).

The man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest.

Why don't you post a list of Clinton's accomplishments and tell us one by one why that accomplishment was nothing? Maybe if you copied the accomplishments into a post you would see what you are ignoring.


I'm waiting for that non-existent PP video Fiorina claims she personally saw.

 

[sunmaster14]

The man sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest.

Why don't you post a list of Clinton's accomplishments and tell us one by one why that accomplishment was nothing? Maybe if you copied the accomplishments into a post you would see what you are ignoring.

I don't know why you can't list a few yourself. I didn't see your list in other threads. I missed about the last three weeks of the Hillary email thread and only started following it again yesterday.

I'm waiting for that non-existent PP video Fiorina claims she personally saw.

You should start a thread. It's off-topic here. I am not interested in abortion in the slightest, and it's mostly irrelevant as far as the executive branch of the federal government is concerned.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Carly Fiorina is wrong about the Planned Parenthood tapes. I know because I watched them.

Fiorina is wrong: Nobody watching the Planned Parenthood tapes would see those things. I know, because I recently watched all 12 hours of footage.

So, Fiorina outright lied when she said she personally saw the video she described and challenged Clinton to watch. How ironic Fiorina called Clinton a liar.

he videos do show Planned Parenthood officials discussing fetal tissue, sometimes in ways that are callous and jarring. But there is no moment where Planned Parenthood discusses procuring fetal tissue for profit, nor is there the scene that Fiorina describes. ... But the things Fiorina describes — the legs kicking, the intact "fully formed fetus," the heart beating, the remarks about having to "harvest its brain" — are pure fiction.You don't have to take my word for it; You can watch the footage right here.

The Vox article was updated:

Update: Carly Fiorina defended her remarks about Planned Parenthood Thursday morning on Good Morning America.

"There's a lot of commentary about these tapes being doctored," Fiorina said in an interview with George Stephanolous. "In fact,that's what the mainstream media keeps talking about is the tapes and their origin. Rest assure, I have seen the images I talked about last night. Rest assure, human lives are being harvested."

Rest assured, Fiorina is a liar, caught right there on live video, lying.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don't know why you can't list a few yourself. I didn't see your list in other threads. I missed about the last three weeks of the Hillary email thread and only started following it again yesterday.

I did, twice in the other thread and links have been posted here.

You should start a thread. It's off-topic here. I am not interested in abortion in the slightest, and it's mostly irrelevant as far as the executive branch of the federal government is concerned.

It's not off topic. It's directly related to Fiorina calling Clinton out.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Ok, I'd like to play the game Carly recommended. Who can list some of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments? And let's leave getting elected or appointed or married to something off the list. Those are personal accomplishments that are for one's own benefit, not anybody else's.

I'll have to admit that I've kind of stumped myself.

Look at her web site.

I did. I didn't see much under her bio. Is there another place there which shows something other than fluff and resume filler?

Since Carly laid down the challenge, we might proceed by examining the accomplishments she lists at her own web site, asking in each case whether Hillary has accomplished anything comparable.

"Carly started out as a secretary for a small real estate business."
Has Hillary ever worked for a small real estate business?

"She typed, filed paperwork and answered the phone."
Has Hillary ever answered the phone?

"She has served in a large number of advisory and policy-making positions for national and state governments."
Has any national or state government ever asked Hillary to serve in an advisory or policy-making position?

"She has also led a number of charities and nonprofits,"
Has Hillary ever had anything to do with charities or nonprofits?

"In 1999, Hewlett-Packard asked Carly to be their new Chief Executive Officer."
Has any large organization ever asked Hillary to be an executive officer of any sort?

"Carly didn't always make the most popular decisions at HP--but, time and again, they would prove to be the right ones."
Does Hillary deserve any credit for the merger of HP and Compaq?

"But even though her record as CEO speaks for itself,"
Did any large company's stock ever rise "6.9 percent in heavy trading" because it got rid of Hillary?

"In 2010....Carly knew that she faced an uphill fight in the race for the U.S. Senate."
Did Hillary ever run for Senate office?

 

[marplots]

Perhaps you could point to a couple of these accomplishments specifically? I see that the wiki has Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky listed. Also, she's a great cattle futures trader (well, in truth, a great bribe taker).

There's a list of Senate Committees. You could start with those.

But hang on... you do understand that the list of positions she's held aren't honorary, right? I mean, they are real jobs, with real responsibilities... right?

 

[Travis]

Hillary proposed a reform for our health system that, had it been implemented, would have America in really good shape. People wouldn't be going bankrupt from medical treatments.

That alone is a good reason to vote for her.

 

[sunmaster14]

Since Carly laid down the challenge, we might proceed by examining the accomplishments she lists at her own web site, asking in each case whether Hillary has accomplished anything comparable.

"Carly started out as a secretary for a small real estate business."
Has Hillary ever worked for a small real estate business?

"She typed, filed paperwork and answered the phone."
Has Hillary ever answered the phone?

"She has served in a large number of advisory and policy-making positions for national and state governments."
Has any national or state government ever asked Hillary to serve in an advisory or policy-making position?

"She has also led a number of charities and nonprofits,"
Has Hillary ever had anything to do with charities or nonprofits?

"In 1999, Hewlett-Packard asked Carly to be their new Chief Executive Officer."
Has any large organization ever asked Hillary to be an executive officer of any sort?

"Carly didn't always make the most popular decisions at HP--but, time and again, they would prove to be the right ones."
Does Hillary deserve any credit for the merger of HP and Compaq?

"But even though her record as CEO speaks for itself,"
Did any large company's stock ever rise "6.9 percent in heavy trading" because it got rid of Hillary?

"In 2010....Carly knew that she faced an uphill fight in the race for the U.S. Senate."
Did Hillary ever run for Senate office?

Carly is perhaps a little light in the accomplishment department too. But I would vote for her because she's articulate and comes across as tough and decisive, and she says things I agree with. As I've said many times with respect to arguments here, the arguments speak for themselves, which means that you judge what you see not the process by which it came into existence. In Carly's case, I don't care about her tenure at HP or whatnot. I see her debate and speak and I like what I see. In Hillary's case, she is trying to win the Democratic nomination without letting people see the current status of her debating and speaking ability. Her claim to the throne is not based on what she is capable of right now, but what she has achieved (which presumably is a good indicator of what she is capable of right now). I would like to know what she is achieved that is so amazing that we don't need to hear her debate in order to judge her fitness for office.

 

[sunmaster14]

There's a list of Senate Committees. You could start with those.

But hang on... you do understand that the list of positions she's held aren't honorary, right? I mean, they are real jobs, with real responsibilities... right?

I am of the opinion that doing a job badly is not an accomplishment, regardless of how high level the job is. I have seen too many people whose resumes boasted of the high level jobs and responsibilities they had had, but they turned out to be horrible employees. There are some areas where just having the job is an indication of some accomplishment. For example, if you are a member of an NBA team, it's probably safe to assume that you're good at basketball and probably tall because otherwise you wouldn't have gotten the job. If you worked as a physicist in a research laboratory, then it's probably safe to assume that you know a fair amount of physics since otherwise you wouldn't have gotten the job. Legislator or cabinet member is not one of those areas. Those are political jobs that are acquired through elections and political connections. If you've held those those jobs, it is as likely as not an indication that you're a dishonest, brown-nosing, panderer.

 

[Ladewig]

Carly is perhaps a little light in the accomplishment department too. But I would vote for her because she's articulate and comes across as tough and decisive, and she says things I agree with. As I've said many times with respect to arguments here, the arguments speak for themselves, which means that you judge what you see not the process by which it came into existence. In Carly's case, I don't care about her tenure at HP or whatnot. I see her debate and speak and I like what I see. In Hillary's case, she is trying to win the Democratic nomination without letting people see the current status of her debating and speaking ability. Her claim to the throne is not based on what she is capable of right now, but what she has achieved (which presumably is a good indicator of what she is capable of right now). I would like to know what she is achieved that is so amazing that we don't need to hear her debate in order to judge her fitness for office.

Can we wait until the first scheduled debate before complaining that she not letting people see her debating ability? October 13, 2015. Las Vegas.

I'm no Hillary lover, but you are sounding a bit Hillary Derangement Syndrome in this post.

ETA
post #7, if you have a moment.

 

[Ladewig]

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[Cleon]

In Carly's case, I don't care about her tenure at HP or whatnot. I see her debate and speak and I like what I see.

Well, as long as you're happy being a "style over substance" voter.

I am of the opinion that doing a job badly is not an accomplishment, regardless of how high level the job is. I have seen too many people whose resumes boasted of the high level jobs and responsibilities they had had, but they turned out to be horrible employees. There are some areas where just having the job is an indication of some accomplishment. For example, if you are a member of an NBA team, it's probably safe to assume that you're good at basketball and probably tall because otherwise you wouldn't have gotten the job. If you worked as a physicist in a research laboratory, then it's probably safe to assume that you know a fair amount of physics since otherwise you wouldn't have gotten the job. Legislator or cabinet member is not one of those areas. Those are political jobs that are acquired through elections and political connections. If you've held those those jobs, it is as likely as not an indication that you're a dishonest, brown-nosing, panderer.

Careful. Your double standards are showing.