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careers: IT language suggestions for non-programmer?

Doesn't seem to be much demand for python on www.jobserve.com. I love rexx, so easy to use and I can pour out code endlessly but not much demand for it.
On the other hand, for a project manager maybe handy as it looks like it would make okay pseudo-code to draft out something that you want a programmer to code.
 
bigred said:
Don't see much call for C++ -ers anymore, and that's hardly a non-programmer-friendly knowledge ;) From what I can tell Java and SQL are in huge demand, but no idea how "friendly" they are or not....
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True on writing new proggies as far as c++ , but if your going to be in IT management, theres a hugh base of installed buisness apps out there. Somthing else noone mentioned , You should become fimiliar with novell networking.
 
I'm not thrilled at being reminded I'm old enough to remember Z80s though, assuming you mean what I think you mean (old Zeniths).
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I was referring to the Z80 chip in the Sinclair Spectrum of my long departed youth - I guess its the same 8 bit chip.

On another note I was working in the HP performance center in Stuttgart before Christmas and they have a mini-museum of computer paraphernalia. One of the exhibits is an 8 bit memory 'chip' from 1965. Its about 10 inches long and 4 inches wide - you can see the wires and soldering!

Makes you realise just how exponentially things have advanced when you see it in juxtaposition to some of the worlds most powerful modern server environments.
 
lol. I kinda wish now that I'd kept some of those old X86 machines for nostalgia, although I do have a few of the older games....
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
True on writing new proggies as far as c++ , but if your going to be in IT management, theres a hugh base of installed buisness apps out there. Somthing else noone mentioned , You should become fimiliar with novell networking.
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Still? Based on my meager experience (of two large audit companies) they are moving away from Novell and more to NT / Active Directory.
 
Your probably correct Gnome .... guess I'm dating myself been a long time for me and corporate IT heck I remember when the IBM 370-ESA series was new! Hell VAX? Kevin Mitnick? Dumpster diving? Blue Boxes?...............sheesh I'm gonna go have a drink with jj.
 
- It's unreadable. I am tired and bored of tracking a family tree of classes on paper to make sense of some API. Certainly, reading something like GUI.FLGWindowPP.GadgetSh2.IsPressed () is not my idea of readibility.
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Yeah, that's Java for you.

Now you will say that I am blaming poor OO code
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Well, you probably are...

- It's hard to maintain. C++ and Java. All said.

- It's extremely buroucratic; dozens of files to express a really small set of functionality. Most of the code is redundant.
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Now I know you're looking at bad OO code. One of the core principles of good OO and inheritance is to reduce redundancy, and make your code reusable. If you're familiar with OO and design patterns, and the people who wrote the code are too, then it should be very maintainable.

The number one reason I love OO languages: unit testing. Yes, it's possible in other languages, but it's vastly easier to divide your program into discrete testable bits with OO. I've tried doing this in Tcl and Fortran (don't ask), and it's not pretty.

I've been working with VTK lately, and it's pretty good, though I wouldn't hold it up as an ideal example.

You could also take a look at Mozilla and KDE, both of which are written in C++.
 
Heh, I have a warehouse full of old computers that is in desperate need of a cull. By "old" I mean OLD! 1950's computers, and calculators back to the late 1800's!

As for an IT language? Be it ever so ancient, there's nothing like COBOL. Not because of any brilliant properties of its own, but because the number of programmers who speak COBOL are now few and far between, and maintenance and conversion of legacy COBOL applications is a current goldmine.

NB. For the unaware, COBOL was steered into existance by a woman - the great Admiral Grace Hopper.

http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/tap/Files/hopper-story.html
 
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