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Capitalism and Its Beneficiaries, Rich People, Are the Spreaders of Coronavirus

The only reason we exist anymore is to serve the needs of the rich and powerful.

I work for a financial services printer and data management company. I'm taking my lunch break at home right now, while our customer service department is losing its mind with the demands of clients.

All of our people in Mumbai are locked down completely, along with most in Manila (a few are able to work from home but internet there has become sporadic). We have clients who think that their precious proxy reports, shareholder reports, forms, etc. are far more important than the fact that people are dying around them by the hundreds every day, and soon by the thousands.

And these words from Elton John/Bernie Taupin (unless, of course, they totally copied REO Speedwagon) keep playing in my head:

And I would have walked head on into the deep and darkened river
Clinging to your stocks and bonds
Paying your H.P. demands forever
They're coming in the morning with a truck to take me home
Someone saved my life tonight, someone saved my life tonight
Someone saved my life tonight, someone saved my life tonight
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The rich and powerful cling to their stocks and bonds while the little people die while picking up the crumbs.

Well, I might soon decide to leave that race. I've got enough to retire on, I'd like to work a couple more years so my retirement would be better, but I'm not sure I'll live that long. So maybe I should just enjoy the time I have now, while my wife and I are still alive and haven't yet become sick.

As for the rich and powerful, I hope you choke to death on the virus while clinging to your stocks and bonds.
 
Viruses spread around the world by those who travel, particularly those who travel internationally. Fairly obvious.

So...it's spread by travelers.

Now, in terms of world travel, the demographic is going to be weighted towards those with money or those who travel for international business. Note: The second group is not a subset of the first group, though it may overlap. I have friends who are not wealthy who travel to Europe and Asia to attend environmental conferences and meetings. We have people coming to our area for similar reasons. Also, my nephew has traveled to Japan several times for work. He's an entry level engineer, and not wealthy.

Anyway, yes, a high proportion of world travelers are wealthy, and world travelers are the vector.

But the premise that this is caused by capitalism assumes that in a non-capitalist Utopia few people would travel. We would all stay in our isolated local communities and only travel if there was a societal reason. I don't think this is true. My schoolteacher parents went to Europe. As did most of their peers (none wealthy). It's kind of a middle class thing to do.

As is spring break. (John Mellencamp: "And vacation at the Gulf of Mexico.") The middle class in Illinois\Indiana when I was growing up seemed to head south every spring break. That's about a thousand mile trip. I'm sure non-rich people on other continents travel similar distances, but actually cross borders in the process.

What you have is a correlation, not a causation.
 
Do you understand this paragraph from the CNN article?

Despite an official warning from the Icelandic government on March 4 that a group of its nationals had contracted coronavirus in Ischgl, Austrian authorities allowed ski tourism -- and the partying that goes with it -- to continue for another nine days before fully quarantining the resort on March 13. Bars in Ischgl were closed on March 10.
Even after a bartender tested positive for the virus, the medical authority of Tyrol -- where ski tourism is one of the biggest economic drivers -- reiterated in a press release on March 8 that there was "no reason to worry."How an Austrian ski resort helped coronavirus spread across Europe (CNN, March 24, 2020)
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Do you understand what it has to do with business considerations, i.e. with capitalism?
If you read the rest of the article, it becomes even clearer.
As the next step, you should compare it with Florida's attitude to the spring breakers this year, at first, until somebody realized that it was not only an extremely bad decision but actually also a bad business decision, in the long run.

At this point of the the pandemic, everybody has probably watched Contagion. As your next movie, I recommend Jaws (Wikipedia):

When local fishermen catch a tiger shark, the mayor proclaims the beaches safe. Hooper disputes that it is the same predator, confirming this after no human remains are found inside it. Hooper and Brody find a half-sunken vessel while searching the night waters in Hooper's boat. Underwater, Hooper retrieves a sizable great white shark's tooth embedded in the submerged hull. He drops it in fright after encountering the partial corpse of local fisherman Ben Gardner. Vaughn discounts Brody and Hooper's statements that a huge great white shark is responsible for the deaths, and refuses to close the beaches, allowing only added safety precautions. On the Fourth of July weekend, tourists pack the beaches.
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You can probably let your children watch because at this point it should be clear that sharks are not half as scary as the virus that they're getting used to since sharks tend to stay in the ocean. You don't inadvertently take them home with you and let them eat your neighbors and grandparents.
 
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Even wealthy people without a yacht tend to fare much, much better than the working poor in the corona crisis:

Around a quarter (24%) of workers in “management, business and financial” occupations – such as corporate executives, IT managers, financial analysts, accountants and insurance underwriters – have access to telework. So do 14% of “professional and related” workers, such as lawyers, software designers, scientists and engineers.
Those types of occupations tend to be relatively well paid, so perhaps it isn’t too surprising that access to telework varies sharply by income. Among private-sector workers whose occupations are in the top quarter of earnings (with average hourly wages of $30.61 or more), 19% have access to telework. The share rises to 25% for those in the top 10% of occupations (i.e., those with average wages of $48.28 an hour or higher). On the other hand, only 1% of private-sector workers in the bottom quarter of occupations (those with average hourly wages of less than $13.25) have access to telework. So few workers in the lowest-paying tenth of occupations can telework that the BLS doesn’t even report the number.
Before the coronavirus, telework was an optional benefit, mostly for the affluent few (PEW Research, March 20, 2020)
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In the United States, 53 million people must get by on low wages, with median hourly earnings of $10.22. Some of the largest occupations employing these workers are also the most susceptible to the economic slowdown accompanying the virus’ spread: 5 million food service workers, 4.5 million retail clerks, and 2.5 million custodians and housekeepers. When college campuses empty out, when stadiums don’t host games, or when conferences are cancelled, it means that food servers, cooks, clerks, and housekeepers are out of work. And many low-wage workers and those in sales and service industries lack paid sick or vacation leave, which results in no earnings coming in at all.
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The coronavirus is providing a brutally efficient lesson about the value of a well-rounded economy that doesn’t leave workers without income, health care, or paid leave during times of crisis. These lessons aren’t just for the classroom or thought experiments—the consequences are very real.
Coronavirus makes it impossible to ignore the economic insecurity built into our labor market (brookings.edu, March 13, 2020)
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“We have more income and wealth inequality in America today than any time in 100 years,” Sanders said. (Indeed, a 2019 paper on wealth inequality by University of California at Berkeley economist Gabriel Zucman found that U.S. wealth concentration levels are at levels not seen since the “roaring” 1920′s.)
And for the wealthy, when it comes to coronavirus, “you’re going to get everything you need. You’re not worried about health care. You’re not worried about income coming in,” Sanders said.
Bernie Sanders: ‘If you’re a multimillionaire ... you’re going to get through’ the coronavirus pandemic (CNBC, March 16, 2020)
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Baylor said:
Whoa, tone down the anti-semitism.
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His background is Jewish?!

Both of his parents were Jewish immigrants who met in Mandatory Palestine and then moved to the United States.
David Geffen: Early life (Wikipedia)
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So what?! It will benefit other 'Jews' as little as the luxury hideouts of members of your imaginary Aryan race will benefit you.
They have nothing in common with you and everything in common with him.

Farewell poor people: How the rich are fleeing London - as millionaires offer up to £50,000-a-month to rent rural retreats (Daily Mirror, March 19, 2020)
The luxury bunkers super-rich survivalists buy for doomsday (NYPost, March 27, 2020)
Them and us: rich vs. poor during the COVID-19 pandemic (marxist.com, March 30, 2020)
A group of pampered, wealthy individuals singing about a fantasy world with "no possessions" is deeply ironic, but the fact that the rich and famous seem to have little trouble accessing coronavirus testing kits, in sharp contrast to just about everyone else, adds an undercurrent of resentment.
5 Amusingly Out Of Touch Celebrity Responses To The Coronavirus Pandemic (Forbes, March 19, 2020)
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Myriad said:
Okay, rich people travel more, and people who travel more were relatively more instrumental in spreading COVID-19.

So what? What action should be taken because of that?
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Dann, would you consider answering these questions?
 
Yes, but they didn't all do it deliberately like "the medical authority of Tyrol -- where ski tourism is one of the biggest economic drivers."
The mistake made by the majority was to trust the advice of the "medical authority" and other alleged 'experts'.
 
dann said:
Yes, but they didn't all do it deliberately like "the medical authority of Tyrol -- where ski tourism is one of the biggest economic drivers."
The mistake made by the majority was to trust the advice of the "medical authority" and other alleged 'experts'.
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I'm not convinced that particular expert was deliberately misleading people, rather than simply wrong.

I do think there are some out there who are deliberately misleading us, but I'm not convinced capitalism is to blame.
 
Isn't the truth of the OP abundantly obvious?

Poor people just don't fly internationally. Rich people do that.

The rapid spread from country to country is a result mainly of air travel. Poor people don't do that so much. Unless it's to travel to service rich people.

Rich people, in planes, moved the virus out of China and all over the world. Maybe it was walked into Russia, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, but not the UK, the USA, Australia. It was taken there by people rich enough to afford international air travel.
 
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3point14 said:
Isn't the truth of the OP abundantly obvious?

Poor people just don't fly internationally. Rich people do that.

The rapid spread from country to country is a result mainly of air travel. Poor people don't do that so much. Unless it's to travel to service rich people.

Rich people, in planes, moved the virus out of China and all over the world. Maybe it was walked into Russia, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, but not the UK, the USA, Australia. It was taken there by people rich enough to afford international air travel.
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My roommate flew back to Singapore for Chinese New Year. He's been out of work for months and before that was making a salary of around US$1500/month. I don't think he counts as "rich". Yet he was a potential carrier of the disease.

I went to Thailand with my girlfriend at the end of February. Two friends of hers came along. They are both pretty broke (one of them had to borrow money from her mother for the trip, but her mother isn't rich either).

My sister has travelled around the world several times, back when she was working odd jobs. For a while she taught English in Korea, for a while she worked at a hostel in Banff. She was always struggling for money, and still hasn't paid off all of her student loans. But every time I talk to her she's either about to fly somewhere or is just returning. She's definitely not rich.

I know another guy who is stuck in India right now after flying there and then getting stuck due to travel restrictions. He's in his late sixties but still working as mover in Australia because he has no savings for retirement. Also not rich.
 
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Roboramma said:
My roommate flew back to Singapore for Chinese New Year. He's been out of work for months and before that was making a salary of around US$1500/month. I don't think he counts as "rich". Yet he was a potential carrier of the disease.

I went to Thailand with my girlfriend at the end of February. Two friends of hers came along. They are both pretty broke (one of them had to borrow money from her mother for the trip, but her mother isn't rich either).

My sister has travelled around the world several times, back when she was working odd jobs. For a while she taught English in Korea, for a while she worked at a hostel in Banff. She was always struggling for money, and still hasn't paid off all of her student loans. But every time I talk to her she's either about to fly somewhere or is just returning. She's definitely not rich.

I know another guy who is stuck in India right now after flying there and then getting stuck due to travel restrictions. He's in his late sixties but still working as mover in Australia because he has no savings for retirement. Also not rich.
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It's all relative. You, me and everyone you mention above is rich by global standards. This is an issue caused by people who have enough money, or credit, to fly.

The poor - that is the poor of the world, rather than the western poor, did not move the virus thousands of miles around the world.
 
I guess Trump's attack on hospital workers reminded him of his old post.
 
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