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Cancel culture IRL

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But what this shows is that "cancel culture" is just fine for the GOP if it's the right people getting cancelled.
Has anyone here argued for the adoption of the Republican's one-sided approach to this topic? Are there even any GOP folks reading this thread? If the answers to these questions are both in the negative, why should we focus on that specific (admittedly inconsistent) approach?
 
I'm not sold.

Look, personally, I'm perfectly fine with accepting that people's views change over time, especially with respect to what is culturally acceptable. I have no issue with acknowledging that some people might have accepted racist tropes in the 80s without questioning them, and have since changed their assumptions. I have no doubt that many people may have unthinkingly accepted that homosexuality was immoral in the 90s, and through education and exposure no longer hold that view. Personally, I think that's a reasonable and rational approach.

What I take issue with is the selective approach to who merits forgiveness and who doesn't.

Why should Dr. Dre - who was involved with some incredibly violent and misogynistic content, as well as having personally abused females - be forgiven for his 'prior' views toward women... but other people do NOT merit any compromise? For example, there was the guy hired at Boeing, who "resigned" the position after repeated calls for his resignation, over some sexist remarks he had made decades prior. There was the baker who fired his own child after they child disclosed that they had made racist comments on line several years prior, and regretted them, but the baker still lost a huge amount of business because someone else's past remarks made him a leper. Now we've got Garcia-Martinez, whose comments in context are clearly hyperbolic, hypothetical, and intended as a counterpoint to the characteristics he found so attractive in an intimate partner.

Why does Dre's actual violent and clearly misogynistic creative content and real life actions get a pass in current times, but the much less impactful prior comments of other people are forever held over their heads?

I don’t think they do get a pass.

I don’t think Apple would hire Dre to manage employees at Apple, either.

They’ll give him money for a product line they want. They’ll give him titles and a salary to keep that line going. But, I don’t think he is managing a team of Apple employees. At least, not that I can find.

I know that if I were a highly respected professional and I came in to work to find that Dre would be my new boss I’d be lodging a complaint and sharpening my resume. I don’t want to work for an ass. Redeemed or otherwise.

But I can’t find that any Apple employees were faced with that situation.
 
Again from the Fire.org website, in this case you have a Hong Kong activist being threatened with cancellation in the US because:


Many Chinese students at the University, including incoming Harris students who are aware of this situation have already expressed that they feel disrespected and unvalued by the administration.


And those students are those who support the Chinese Government...


https://www.thefire.org/pressure-continues-against-campus-critics-of-china/
 
Another fascist outed and fired.
Do you find easily justified cancellations to be somehow instructive?

(Does anyone else?)

By way of analogy, would the death penalty prosecution against Timothy McVeigh be an instructive case to consider when asking whether the death penalty ought to continue to exist at the federal level?

(Seems to me that difficult edge cases might be somewhat more interesting, but to each his or her or their own.)
 
Why is he writing under all these different pseudonyms? What do you call commentators who post comments using multiple accounts, besides a spammer? Seems to be what he is doing.

Not sure it was spamming, more likely just an acknowledgment that being an overt fascist comes with unpleasant social consequences.
 
Not sure it was spamming, more likely just an acknowledgment that being an overt fascist comes with unpleasant social consequences.

I'm still no sure on the lots of pseudonym thing, though. Sounds more like an attempt to pretend there is more saying these things.

That's what spamming commentators do.
 
Maintaining the illusion that a lot of people agree with them is very important to some people.
 
Maintaining the illusion that a lot of people agree with them is very important to some people.

There's a name for that "false consensus effect":https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect
Additionally, when confronted with evidence that a consensus does not exist, people often assume that those who do not agree with them are defective in some way.
Seems applicable to this conversation.
Comes naturally to most folks, very little work at all.
 
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Hatmakers are continuing to cut ties with a Nashville hat store following a controversial post on Instagram.

On Friday, the owner of hatWRKS hat shop on 8th Ave South in Nashville posted a photo to Instagram with a yellow patch resembling the Star of David along with the words “not vaccinated”.

https://www.wkrn.com/news/more-hatmakers-cut-ties-with-nashville-hat-shop-after-controversial-instagram-post/

Vendors are severing their business relationships with the store after the owner began selling yellow star of David patches and likened being anti-vax to being a Jew in the Holocaust. Stetson, Goorin Bros, and Bailey Hats have all publicly repudiated the store and ended all business with them.

What kind of woke world gone wild are we living in when you can't trivialize the Holocaust? SJWs must be stopped.
 
Obama wades in.

Always knew he was a top bloke. who knows what he is talking about

https://thehill.com/homenews/557317-obama-warns-of-dangers-of-cancel-culture-going-overboard

Obama warns of 'dangers of cancel culture' going 'overboard

Former President Obama in an interview that aired Monday warned against what he characterized as "the dangers of cancel culture" going too far in American society.

"A lot of the dangers of cancel culture and 'we're just going to be condemning people all the time,' at least among my daughters, they'll acknowledge that among their peer group or in college campuses, you'll see people going overboard," Obama said during an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper.

Obama said his daughters, Malia and Sasha, have a "pretty good sense of: look we don't expect everybody to be perfect we don't expect everybody to politically correct all the time."

"But we are gonna call out institutions or individuals if they are being cruel, if they are, ya know, discriminating against people," Obama said. "We do want to raise awareness."

Obama has in the past criticized what he in 2019 called "woke" culture that leaves little room for forgiveness for misdeeds of people in public life.

“This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically woke and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly,” he said at an event for his foundation Summit in Chicago that year. “The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws.”

He said people calling others out on social media is “not activism..............”
 
Not exactly a "cancellation" per se, but an attempt to head one off via preemptive self-censorship.

https://twitter.com/peterchoi1978/status/1402699177117720579

LOL, I remember posting a Daily Mail interview where a British author lamented the chilling effect cancel culture is having on young authors. There was all sorts of denial wrapped up in noooooooooooo, Fox News !! Ack , conservatives ! Right wing strawman ! and evn some all caps thrown in for emphasis.

Well

Surprise.
 
Yes, chilling and absurd is how I would describe authors voluntarily removing their whimsical holocaust references from their teen novels due to the backlash of two tweets. Fox News, Ack, all caps etc.
 
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