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Cancel culture IRL

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d4m10n said:
Fox News' attempt to redefine "cancel culture" as a weaponized meme which only takes aim at the left may well be interesting, but it's not the same as what "cancel culture" means in the OP. I'm going to have to keep pointing this out, lest people make the mistake of conflating the two.
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But it's their phrase. You're the one trying to redefine it.

It's kinda like how neo-nazis on Youtube are always going on and on about how they "took the red pill."

I mean, they can say it. The Red Pill is from the Matrix, though. It's Estrogen. The Matrix is, according the the Wachowski Sisters, a metaphors for being trans women. I mean, I guess they sort of redefined it, but I still laugh at them every time.

I may continue watching that video later.
 
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But it's their phrase.
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I remain highly skeptical of this claim, having seen the phrase discussed in mainstream left-of-center news outlets (recent example) as well as scholarly debates.

The phrase originated on Black Twitter, so it was surely known in progressive spaces prior to being popularized to angry Boomers by right wing television.

You're the one trying to redefine it.
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I'm the one literally going off the meaning given by a reportive dictionary of general usage.
 
Mumbles knows that, he literally just summarized the origin at the top of the previous page. Nevertheless the current dominant usage is the one Fox etc has defined and pushed.
 
Relevant to this thread...

On the Hypocrites at Apple Who Fired Antonio Garcia-Martinez

Background: Several years before going to work at Apple, Garcia-Martinez wrote an autobiography that focused a lot on the bizarre dynamics of Silicon Valley. As it's an autobiography, it also contained other parts of their personal life, such as falling in love with a tall, strong, independent female human. Within the book they wrote the following passage:

Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of ****. They have their self-regarding entitlement feminism, and ceaselessly vaunt their independence, but the reality is, come the epidemic plague or foreign invasion, they’d become precisely the sort of useless baggage you’d trade for a box of shotgun shells or a jerry can of diesel.
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Even though the book had been out for several years, and even though this passage was presented in the midst of a section extolling the virtues of the female he fell in love with... it didn't slow the twitterati down in describing them as a misogynist. Of course, from there it gets even more entertaining... as several employees at Apple signed a group letter saying "“Given Mr. García Martínez’s history of publishing overtly racist and sexist remarks, we are concerned that his presence at Apple will contribute to an unsafe working environment for our colleagues who are at risk of public harassment and private bullying.”

So Apple apologized and fired them.

That's all. One passage, in a book, in which the author presents a moderately critical view of some females in one specific area, and in which race doesn't appear to have been mentioned at all. Nothing more.

But that gets twisted into a "history" of "blatantly" sexist and "racist" remarks which make employees feel "unsafe".

I'm pretty seriously feminist, but come on people. Anyone who feels "unsafe" because of THAT needs serious professional counseling. Firing Garcia-Martinez for THAT is idiotic.

And that, folks, is what I mean by "cancel culture" and "mob mentality" dominating through fear.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Relevant to this thread...

On the Hypocrites at Apple Who Fired Antonio Garcia-Martinez

Background: Several years before going to work at Apple, Garcia-Martinez wrote an autobiography that focused a lot on the bizarre dynamics of Silicon Valley. As it's an autobiography, it also contained other parts of their personal life, such as falling in love with a tall, strong, independent female human. Within the book they wrote the following passage:



Even though the book had been out for several years, and even though this passage was presented in the midst of a section extolling the virtues of the female he fell in love with... it didn't slow the twitterati down in describing them as a misogynist. Of course, from there it gets even more entertaining... as several employees at Apple signed a group letter saying "“Given Mr. García Martínez’s history of publishing overtly racist and sexist remarks, we are concerned that his presence at Apple will contribute to an unsafe working environment for our colleagues who are at risk of public harassment and private bullying.”

So Apple apologized and fired them.

That's all. One passage, in a book, in which the author presents a moderately critical view of some females in one specific area, and in which race doesn't appear to have been mentioned at all. Nothing more.

But that gets twisted into a "history" of "blatantly" sexist and "racist" remarks which make employees feel "unsafe".

I'm pretty seriously feminist, but come on people. Anyone who feels "unsafe" because of THAT needs serious professional counseling. Firing Garcia-Martinez for THAT is idiotic.

And that, folks, is what I mean by "cancel culture" and "mob mentality" dominating through fear.
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Seems that the context of tech-bro culture, in which this particular industry is notorious for being heavily male dominated and prone to sexual harassment and other forms of sexism, is relevant.

A company trying to assure their women employees might do well to avoid someone who wrote a book that is explicitly derogatory to the exact kind of women that are going to be employed at the company.
 
d4m10n said:
If talking down the quality of ladies in the local area dating pool is so profoundly sexist as to warrant disemployment, well, I suppose that's one way to close the gender unemployment gap.
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It's usually pretty easy to hire people that haven't published sweeping, derogatory claims about entire classes of people they are expected to work with.
 
Yeah, and I mean, come on, he didn’t even say ‘most women’ are useless, just ‘most Bay Area women!’ And it’s not like he’d be working with women from the Bay Area anyway... oh wait..

ETA: I’m not even as annoyed by the front half as by the ‘traded for (other) goods’ bit. I might complain to HR about a hire like that myself. If it’s unreasonable of Apple to decide to let him go over it, that’s on them, not on the people who honestly said they found that **** objectionable.
 
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Well his example there of when they’d be useless was during an epidemic plague so, basically, now. :)
 
The very next passage makes it clear he's talking about civilizational collapse:

British Trader, on the other hand, was the sort of woman who would end up a useful ally in that postapocalypse, doing whatever work—be it carpentry, animal husbandry, or a shotgun blast to someone’s back—required doing.
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Perhaps he meant all of this literally, rather than hyperbolically. Perhaps we should seriously be asking whether women in tech are generally good with woodworking, taming horses, shotguns and homicide. (I doubt it.)
 
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These Bay Area women sound exactly like the types that would be useful in such a scenario. Identifying and expelling predatory creeps is a valuable community service that would only be more necessary in a world where guys like this feel uninhibited.

This guy sound like the type that would die of dysentery alone in a ditch because his particular toxic brand of "rugged individualism" made him unwanted in every semi-organized community.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Seems that the context of tech-bro culture, in which this particular industry is notorious for being heavily male dominated and prone to sexual harassment and other forms of sexism, is relevant.

A company trying to assure their women employees might do well to avoid someone who wrote a book that is explicitly derogatory to the exact kind of women that are going to be employed at the company.
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Bah clearly they should be more focused on real theats to women, you know trans women instead of focusing on these harmless misogynists'. I mean what is the worst they do, go on the odd shooting spree against women, but transwomen might have an advantage in sports!
 
Grist for the mill:

Survey of 10,000 Americans reveals what adults think of ‘cancel culture’
Recent reckonings on racism and misogyny have led to accountability that critics may consider part of cancel culture
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/19/survey-cancel-culture-americans-conservative

Yet despite its dominance in national discourse, a large number of respondents said they are not familiar with the issue. Pew concedes the survey was fielded before “a string of recent conversations and controversies about cancel culture”. But still the majority – 56% – say they have heard nothing or not too much about it, including 38% who have heard nothing at all.
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Reactionaries are gonna have to cry louder, they're not breaking through.

Pew also surveyed people for their broader thoughts on the act of calling out others on social media, asking whether this kind of behavior is more likely to hold people accountable or punish those who don’t deserve it.

More than half – 58% of US adults – say in general calling out others on social media is more likely to hold people accountable, while only 38% say it is more likely to punish people who don’t deserve it.

“I think people need to be called out when they say something offensive on social media, because if you’re brave enough to say it then you should be brave enough to be accountable for your actions and be able to deal with whatever happens because of it,” one surveyed woman said.
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Lol
 
Well this is another thing that the internet has up and decided is super important without asking the rest of the world if it cares or not. 99% of time on the internet is imagining someone who might disagree with you and then getting mad about it.

Strong opinions, either way, about "Cancel Culture" are still primarily an online thing.

Most people in the real world range from:

1. Having literally never heard of it.
2. Having heard the term but having zero idea what it is or is supposed to be.
3. Only basically feeling about it how their political ideology tells them to feel about it and not thinking about it anymore than that.

Again, my standard advice of.... GO OUTSIDE... applies a lot.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Well this is another thing that the internet has up and decided is super important without asking the rest of the world if it cares or not. 99% of time on the internet is imagining someone who might disagree with you and then getting mad about it.

Strong opinions, either way, about "Cancel Culture" are still primarily an online thing.

Most people in the real world range from:

1. Having literally never heard of it.
2. Having heard the term but having zero idea what it is or is supposed to be.
3. Only basically feeling about it how their political ideology tells them to feel about it and not thinking about it anymore than that.

Again, my standard advice of.... GO OUTSIDE... applies a lot.
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A true poster never logs off. Touching grass is for the weak.
 
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